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  • 0918330512
    Senior Player
    • Sep 2011
    • 1654

    #16
    Originally posted by Matt80
    No I did not
    .

    Sorry, Matt80, my mistake ... "Knock some guys to the ground, get in a scuffle if you have to. Get angry. Don't let anyone think that you are going to the NEAFL without some blokes feeling some pain." all sounds very placidly motivated indeed.

    Originally posted by Matt80
    Anyone who has been on "dropped row" (on the verge of being dropped)
    You sound like you have endured the pain of "dropped row" ... nearly as dramatic as death row

    Originally posted by Matt80
    Anyone who has been on "dropped row" (on the verge of being dropped) as Adam is now, knows the importance of having a high intensity week on the track. He needs to show the coaches that he is highly motivated to give the pressure and physical acts that the Swans are famous for.
    Ah yes, after umpteen seasons at the elite level, 2 Brownlows, 2 Premierships, B&Fs, AAs, I can see why the coaches would now question his motivation. One week of gruelling intensity on the track should reassure them.
    Last edited by 0918330512; 13 April 2015, 12:14 PM.

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    • Matt80
      Suspended by the MRP
      • Sep 2013
      • 1802

      #17
      I have been on "dropped row" and it's not a great place to be. Cunningham was on "dropped row" after round one.
      You have an insecure feeling, you know you are next, and you hope the coaches give you one more chance to find your best.

      When on "dropped row" you find a little bit extra at training. You have more voice, you chase harder and you hit and tackle harder. I'm sure this is the same situation with professionals.

      My words have been misconstrued. I never said injure a teammate. A bruise is not an injury. All I said was that Adam needs to display some extra grunt and physical pressure this week at training.

      He needs to show the coaching staff he is fired up and encourage them to give him one more chance. He then needs to play really well (3 goals, 7 marks, 7 tackles) and get himself of "dropped row"!

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      • Melbourne_Blood
        Senior Player
        • May 2010
        • 3312

        #18
        Originally posted by penga
        Towers is softer than Trent Dennis-Lane, if that is possible. Some of his tackling efforts, and strength in the contest, were absolutely deplorable on Sat night. I don't care if Mitchell is slower, I would much rather a bloke in a red and white guernsey showing that he is willing to put his body on the line, than a fast bloke not willing to damage his fingernails.

        Towers to be dropped, and de-listed at the end of the season, for mine.
        Dunno if we were watching g the same game, but that was Towers best game by far I've seen from him. Soft or not, if he keeps playing like that won't be getting dropped.

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        • dimelb
          pr. dim-melb; m not f
          • Jun 2003
          • 6889

          #19
          Originally posted by Matt80
          I have been on "dropped row" and it's not a great place to be. Cunningham was on "dropped row" after round one.
          You have an insecure feeling, you know you are next, and you hope the coaches give you one more chance to find your best.

          When on "dropped row" you find a little bit extra at training. You have more voice, you chase harder and you hit and tackle harder. I'm sure this is the same situation with professionals.

          My words have been misconstrued. I never said injure a teammate. A bruise is not an injury. All I said was that Adam needs to display some extra grunt and physical pressure this week at training.

          He needs to show the coaching staff he is fired up and encourage them to give him one more chance. He then needs to play really well (3 goals, 7 marks, 7 tackles) and get himself of "dropped row"!
          "Do not go gentle into that good night."

          And "dropped row" is preferable to being "renegaded".
          He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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          • Swansongster
            Senior Player
            • Sep 2008
            • 1264

            #20
            Originally posted by dimelb
            "Do not go gentle into that good night."

            And "dropped row" is preferable to being "renegaded".

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            • penga
              Senior Player
              • Jan 2003
              • 2601

              #21
              Originally posted by Ludwig
              You're on the right track about Towers, but perhaps a bit extreme. He doesn't have a good tackling technique and needs to improve his approach to the contest. He was was battered about by Alipate Carlisle, who is a big bloke, and I think Towers got a bit gun shy. I think this will be pointed out to him in the game review. We have to see how he adjusts. I think Cunningham was the one chosen to make way for Macca for similar reasons.
              Carlisle is a lot bigger than Towers, that's why he should've had his head down going flat out, rather than let Carlisle dictate the contest.

              If you get a chance, Melbourne_Blood, have a closer look at him when he is anywhere near a contest.. He seriously lacks the commitment we need in the red and white. If he's wide open, in a bit of paddock, he isn't too bad, that's why he gives the impression of a decent game. Close to a pack, however, quite frankly, he is pathetic.
              C'mon Chels!

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              • Swansongster
                Senior Player
                • Sep 2008
                • 1264

                #22
                Twitter:

                "Sydney Swans ?@sydneyswans ? 5m5 minutes ago
                Coach John Longmire is set to speak to the media shortly. Live tweets to follow."

                Surely this is not THE announcement. Probably just the usual media commitments.

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                • erica
                  Happy and I know it
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 1247

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Swansongster
                  Twitter:

                  "Sydney Swans ?@sydneyswans ? 5m5 minutes ago
                  Coach John Longmire is set to speak to the media shortly. Live tweets to follow."

                  Surely this is not THE announcement. Probably just the usual media commitments.
                  Yep just the usual. McGlynn a chance to play this week.
                  All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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                  • Swansongster
                    Senior Player
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 1264

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Swansongster
                    Twitter:

                    "Sydney Swans ?@sydneyswans ? 5m5 minutes ago
                    Coach John Longmire is set to speak to the media shortly. Live tweets to follow."

                    Surely this is not THE announcement. Probably just the usual media commitments.
                    Nah! Just the usual scripted footy Newspeak.

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                    • Melbourne_Blood
                      Senior Player
                      • May 2010
                      • 3312

                      #25
                      Originally posted by penga
                      Carlisle is a lot bigger than Towers, that's why he should've had his head down going flat out, rather than let Carlisle dictate the contest.

                      If you get a chance, Melbourne_Blood, have a closer look at him when he is anywhere near a contest.. He seriously lacks the commitment we need in the red and white. If he's wide open, in a bit of paddock, he isn't too bad, that's why he gives the impression of a decent game. Close to a pack, however, quite frankly, he is pathetic.
                      I will do that. However, he's not in the side to be winning a large amount of contested ball, same as Kennedy isn't on the side for his pace. I think he had a good game on the weekend, he executes his skills well, hit the scoreboard, provided run ( most of this in the fist half when the game was on the line, and I think he can only get better with more senior exposure.

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                      • S.S. Bleeder
                        Senior Player
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 2165

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Matt80
                        I did not say injure his team mates. I said that he needs to make a physical statement at training this week. It's a contact sport. When you are under pressure for your spot, you need to let everyone at training know that you mean business and that you will fight hard.
                        He doesn't need to make a statement at training. He needs to make a statement in a match. I know he's never been the best chaser going around but his recent efforts have been even worse than normal.

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                        • penga
                          Senior Player
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 2601

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
                          I will do that. However, he's not in the side to be winning a large amount of contested ball, same as Kennedy isn't on the side for his pace. I think he had a good game on the weekend, he executes his skills well, hit the scoreboard, provided run ( most of this in the fist half when the game was on the line, and I think he can only get better with more senior exposure.
                          I'm not talking about winning contested ball, I am talking about having willingness to put his body on the line. He'll hit a pack at flat out, and hope for the best that something falls his way, rather than doing all that is required to halve a contest, which will often lead him to running right past the pack. It is soft. I only recognise it in him, as I used to do the same when playing. I was too soft..
                          C'mon Chels!

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                          • Melbourne_Blood
                            Senior Player
                            • May 2010
                            • 3312

                            #28
                            Originally posted by penga
                            I'm not talking about winning contested ball, I am talking about having willingness to put his body on the line. He'll hit a pack at flat out, and hope for the best that something falls his way, rather than doing all that is required to halve a contest, which will often lead him to running right past the pack. It is soft. I only recognise it in him, as I used to do the same when playing. I was too soft..
                            Haha love the honesty !

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                            • Ludwig
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 9359

                              #29
                              Originally posted by penga
                              I'm not talking about winning contested ball, I am talking about having willingness to put his body on the line. He'll hit a pack at flat out, and hope for the best that something falls his way, rather than doing all that is required to halve a contest, which will often lead him to running right past the pack. It is soft. I only recognise it in him, as I used to do the same when playing. I was too soft..
                              I seem to be having this little ongoing exchange with you about Towers, with me coming to his defence. I am not disagreeing with you that Towers can be a bit 'gun shy' when entering a physical contest. He's no Hannebery, but not many are. But seeing that Towers usually comes out second best in such encounters, it doesn't make sense for him to put his body on the line if the only result is that he might get injured. Towers has to find a way to approach contested ball situations where he increases the chance of him coming out with the ball. Crashing into the contest is just not part of his repertoire at the moment. Some players, particularly those with lighter frames and a bit of quickness are more effective by finessing the contest.

                              Towers has only played 8 games. You've pointed out one of the areas where he needs improvement. But I wouldn't go so far are to say we should drop him because he's soft. I am only suggesting that we give him time to work out a solution that best suits his abilities. It may turn out that you are right and he simply doesn't have the hardness to play AFL level footy. But he is still improving his game and I am inclined to take a wait and see attitude at this time.

                              That said, Towers does tackle and he does go for the ball. It's not like he's running away from contested ball situations. He's just not that good at it at this early point in his senior career.

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                              • rojo
                                Opti-pessi-misti
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 1103

                                #30
                                It was interesting to hear that the coaches in their meeting with the AFL when discussing raising the draft age, gave as a reason that with most young, newly drafted players it took about two years 'to reprogram' them. Why would you want to 'reprogram' them was my first thought. It is one of my pet dislikes ie why would you want to pick someone who has played say 4 of his formative footballing years as a forward and obviously well enough to get drafted and then decide to develop him as a back, for the sake of the team! Likewise you pick someone as an outside runner who has never laid a tackle in his life at junior level, because he has not needed to, and probably it is not in his nature to do so, then insist that he become an effective tackling machine. It begs the question, why not just draft an outside runner who also has a defensive side to his game - it would save a lot of anguish all round!

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