Delisting 2015

[RogueSwan]

It would be awful to lose Jetta just when he's begun to fulfill his potential. I can only see him wanting to go back to WA. Freo will be targeting a KPP, so I doubt that they will be in a position to trade for Jetta....

Someone on the Superfooty podcast suggested Freo were into Charlie Dixon from the Suns but are now looking at McCarthy from the Giants. If they went hard after one of those two, and got one, they would not have much left to entice Jetta with, financially.

... The WA go home factor with a young family when both he and his wife are from there you seem to dismiss but I think it would be a big motivator...
Plus the fact I would imagine he would be able to earn significantly more over there, I expect our salary cap will start to bite next year and he would have to accept significant unders....Time will tell I guess, I just have a feeling he won't be here next year. I hope I'm wrong as he is having a cracking year

I think that he is finally starting to fulfill his potential and that the Swans realise he is a unique footballer. We have potential inside, solid midfielder options, and good distributors/kicks. What we don't have is someone who can move and kick like Jetta. I could see the Swans working harder to keep Jetta than a Lloyd/McVeigh(non-captain)/standard midfielder. Our other midfielders are more easily replaced (note I said "more" easily not just easily replaced).
If Bird (nooooooooo!) and Towers are moved on this would open up funds to entice Jetta to continue with the Swans. Also, isn't Tippo getting cheaper by the year? I'm not 100% on that though.
We don't have a pressing need to recruit a ready made defender (but we can't ignore that either) with Laidler's improvement, Teddy still going strong, Reg has another 3-4yrs and Alliir's good showing in the Two's. And Davis and McLean still have time to prove they will make it.

[111431]

Someone on the Superfooty podcast suggested Freo were into Charlie Dixon from the Suns but are now looking at McCarthy from the Giants. If they went hard after one of those two, and got one, they would not have much left to entice Jetta with, financially

I think that he is finally starting to fulfill his potential and that the Swans realise he is a unique footballer. We have potential inside, solid midfielder options, and good distributors/kicks. What we don't have is someone who can move and kick like Jetta. I could see the Swans working harder to keep Jetta than a Lloyd/McVeigh(non-captain)/standard midfielder. Our other midfielders are more easily replaced (note I said "more" easily not just easily replaced).
If Bird (nooooooooo!) and Towers are moved on this would open up funds to entice Jetta to continue with the Swans. Also, isn't Tippo getting cheaper by the year? I'm not 100% on that though.
We don't have a pressing need to recruit a ready made defender (but we can't ignore that either) with Laidler's improvement, Teddy still going strong, Reg has another 3-4yrs and Alliir's good showing in the Two's. And Davis and McLean still have time to prove they will make it.

Hate to think how slow Reg will be in 3-4 yrs !

[wolftone57]

Can see quite a turnover this year - Goodes, Shaw to retire with Bird, Towers and probably Jetta (against our wishes) to be traded plus Aliir Aliir and one other de-listed

That leaves seven to be added. Can se Naismith being upgraded and four draftees (probably three F/S or accademy) and a couple of free agent or de-listed players (probably defenders), one a bargain basement and the other a little more established.

One of the problems I have with people making astounding assumptions without even one bit of evidence is that it is assumption. For a start you never mentioned Marsh. You assume Aliir will be cut yet Aliir is actually very integral to our continued backline dominance. So back off Aliir he is a VERY GOOD player.

Goodes and Shaw as far as I can see are sureties to retire. But I also see that Teddy is not as good as he once was. He is getting more marks and yardage on him than before. He is getting to the expendable stage.

If Birdie is not in our best 26 then I think he might just look at a future elsewhere. Our Western Neighbours might just like to trade for him. I thuink his time here is finished. The reason, because he is not flexible. He can play mids and maybe forward if that and that is all.

Jetta is not o the table. He wants to stay by the way. Why does everybody believe an article from the year after he was drafted when he was homesick (the club sent him home in the mid season break) to say he wants to go home? @@@@ing stupid rationalisation seeing he has said already he wants to win premierships with Swans.

There are others on our list that may be up for de-listing too. for a start Mike Pyke is not far from retiring and there have been a few instances this year, including last week, that worry me. He doesn't get enough possessions or disposals around the ground. His disposals this year have been some of the worst for a ruckman and his taps to advantage are not huge either. We need to look beyond Pykie.

Nankervis has been on the list for a few years now. He has not even had a seniors game. I don't know if he will. The problem I see with him at seniors level is he is too slow. Naismith is far more mobile and he has far more upside. Young McLaren is a very mobile young ruck forward on the Rookie list so that basically gets rid of Nankervis.

Tom Derrickx was wonderful for a season but hasn't been able to get a spot in the seniors. I don't think he will.

As much as it is distasteful for me to say Alex Johnson is at this stage in limbo. There is no player who has returned from this sort of lay off and actually had a successful career. So thecodds are against him. If his injury comes good by the pre-season next year he might be retained but I think it would be really foolish if the club were to risk his comeback after the mid season break. Morribito has suffered a similar fate and now is seen as just depth if that. Next year he will be de-listed. AJ, as good as he was, cannot expect the Swans to wait. I love the guy and hope he comes back but if he is not ready to go by pre-season next year then I think the club should cut him loose. sorry folks. I love theguy too, so bloody brave and one of the best players I have ever seen.

[Melbourne_Blood]

^ one of the best players you have ever seen? I'm a huge wrap for AJ, but that is one of the more ridiculous calls I've ever heard.

[wolftone57]

^ one of the best players you have ever seen? I'm a huge wrap for AJ, but that is one of the more ridiculous calls I've ever heard.

Is it ridiculous? I should have said he was one of the best backmen I have ever seen. But really he was a sensational player who could have and still could be something else. What AJ did in the 2012 finals campaign was nothing short of wonderful. He was and still could be an exceptional talent. You underestimate this guy's talent I think. Not for the first time I think. If I remember rightly you poopooed my prediction that Lukie Parker would eventually be our best mid. Then again you only see Melbourne games and don't see the reserves at all.

But I think you actually missed the point. I was replying to a post on de-listing or retiring. The unfortunate problem we have with AJ is; Will He Ever Play Again?

[barry]

Settle down . AJ had one good year playing against 3rd or 4th forward

He was on track for a bright future , but who knows now ?

[wolftone57]

Settle down . AJ had one good year playing against 3rd or 4th forward

He was on track for a bright future , but who knows now ?

Barry AJ had real talent. If you can't see that you are blind. He played on Jack Gunston in the 2012 GF. That is a pretty good feat as he kept him to 8 disposals. You have to really be very careful when you start making suppositions. This guy could have been anything as a backman but was cut down by injury. Don't denigrate the guy by saying he played on the fourth forward. He never did. Gunston was Hawks third forward but a @@@@ing good player. He also killed Fassolo & stuck it to Goldsack. He absolutely dissected Petrenko in Adelaide. We have not seen enough of this bloke to make a judgement but I am saying he was @@@@ing wonderful.

[liz]

Nankervis has been on the list for a few years now. He has not even had a seniors game. I don't know if he will. The problem I see with him at seniors level is he is too slow. Naismith is far more mobile and he has far more upside. Young McLaren is a very mobile young ruck forward on the Rookie list so that basically gets rid of Nankervis.

No he hasn't. He's halfway through his second year on the list. He's a ruckman. Ruckmen take time. Dean Cox spent several years on the Eagles list being a spud, before he blossomed into one of the best rucks of recent times. I'm not suggesting Nankervis is the next Dean Cox by any means. Just pointing out that you have to be patient with young ruckmen. Naismith has actually been on our list for longer - a year longer, plus time in the academy playing with the reserves in the previous year. The club is being patient with him, as they are (and I think will continue to be) with Nankervis.

[wolftone57]

No he hasn't. He's halfway through his second year on the list. He's a ruckman. Ruckmen take time. Dean Cox spent several years on the Eagles list being a spud, before he blossomed into one of the best rucks of recent times. I'm not suggesting Nankervis is the next Dean Cox by any means. Just pointing out that you have to be patient with young ruckmen. Naismith has actually been on our list for longer - a year longer, plus time in the academy playing with the reserves in the previous year. The club is being patient with him, as they are (and I think will continue to be) with Nankervis.

Sorry but a few years is two years or more. Bloody learn English. Yes Naismith has been there longer plus playing as a toppy from the academy. It is paying off. He is developing very nicely. Nankervis may also develop. We won't know until he plays an AFL game. But from what I saw in the pre-season I don't think he is ready, anywhere near ready. He is really aggressive but is he talented enough? He certainly is good enough as a forward/ruck but could he be a 'First Ruck'? I don't think so. Naismith can be a'First Ruck' and do it very well. What's more he has kicked more goals and has far more disposals that Toby this year.

[Meg]

Nankervis only turns 21 in August. That's very young for a ruckman/forward. Too early to be talking about delisting him I think.

[CureTheSane]

To me a 'few' is 3 or more.
A couple is two.
Regardless, if Nankervis has been here for 1 1/2 years, and this is not "two years or more"
Not sure why you felt the need to write "Bloodly learn English"
That was a bit rude.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Is it ridiculous? I should have said he was one of the best backmen I have ever seen. But really he was a sensational player who could have and still could be something else. What AJ did in the 2012 finals campaign was nothing short of wonderful. He was and still could be an exceptional talent. You underestimate this guy's talent I think. Not for the first time I think. If I remember rightly you poopooed my prediction that Lukie Parker would eventually be our best mid. Then again you only see Melbourne games and don't see the reserves at all.

But I think you actually missed the point. I was replying to a post on de-listing or retiring. The unfortunate problem we have with AJ is; Will He Ever Play Again?

Haha I poo pooed a prediction about Luke Parker ? Dunno about that Wolfie. AJ was fantastic before he went down but 'best you ever seen is wildly over the top'. What has the reserves got to do with it, or was he the best you ever saw in the NEAFL?

[Conor_Dillon]

Nankervis seems a very similar player to Goldstein, perhaps more aggressive. Both good overhead, both lovely, long, left-foot kicks, both decent below their knees.

I'd assume endurance would be one of his main issues and there's no doubt he will be given at least 1, if not 2 pre-seasons to work on this.

For what it's worth, he averaged the most SuperCoach points of any player in his drafting year of the National Championships...albeit playing in Division 2. To say he lacks the talent is a ridiculous call.

[mcs]

Nankervis seems a very similar player to Goldstein, perhaps more aggressive. Both good overhead, both lovely, long, left-foot kicks, both decent below their knees.

I'd assume endurance would be one of his main issues and there's no doubt he will be given at least 1, if not 2 pre-seasons to work on this.

For what it's worth, he averaged the most SuperCoach points of any player in his drafting year of the National Championships...albeit playing in Division 2. To say he lacks the talent is a ridiculous call.

Nankervis to me seems a potential replacement for Tippett - similar style of player. I'd be highly surprised if they cut him at the end of the year, as forward/rucks always take plenty of time to develop. As I said before, I think we are far more likely to be cutting Derricx.

To me, its pretty obvious that we are developing the talls in the ressies (X Richards, A Allir, T Nankevis and S Naismith) on the hope that they will direct replacements in time for Teddy, Grundy, Pyke and maybe Tippett.

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Settle down . AJ had one good year playing against 3rd or 4th forward

He was on track for a bright future , but who knows now ?

He did an almighty job on some of the '3rd' forwards in the game though - as mentioned by wolftone, Gunston in the Grand Final being one such example. I think some people really underestimate just how much we miss a player of the style of AJ, and also how much our back 6 misses Mattner - although I feel Laidler is proving himself to be a decent replacement at the moment (and I think Newman is a real chance, given time, to find a spot in the back 6).

[Conor_Dillon]

As I said before, I think we are far more likely to be cutting Derricx.

He is contracted for next season (not sure why we gave him 2 years) so we won't be able to delist him this season.