Round 15: Sydney Swans Reserves v Redland Bombers @ Blacktown

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  • troyjones2525
    Swans Fanatic!
    • Mar 2008
    • 2908

    #16
    Ugg, I like most have real concerns with our seemingly lack of key position talent coming through. Most sides have blooded the odd young tall (I'm not counting Nankervis in the ruck) the last few years but it appears glaring a omission on our part. Just even watching the Dees v lions now they both appear to have a couple of young talls at either end who show real promise and back themselves to take a mark overhead. I'd like your thoughts as an avid ressies watcher if you think any of ours show real promise or do we need to cut our losses and keep recruiting???

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    • 707
      Veterans List
      • Aug 2009
      • 6204

      #17
      Thanks Ugg, comprehensive and insightful as always, much appreciated.

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      • Buffalo
        On the Rookie List
        • Apr 2015
        • 19

        #18
        In relation to the above from troyjones2525....

        Unbelievable! "I like most?" Who are you? Speak for yourself and keep "the most" out of it. You're sure in heck not speaking for me. Not agreeing here.
        This is an opinion based forum. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want mine right now.
        Last edited by Buffalo; 19 July 2015, 09:17 PM.

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        • Ludwig
          Veterans List
          • Apr 2007
          • 9359

          #19
          Originally posted by Buffalo
          In relation to the above from troyjones2525....

          Unbelievable! "I like most." Who are you? Speak for yourself and keep the most out of it. You're sure in heck not speaking for me. Not agreeing here.
          This is an opinion based forum. Individuals and footy fanatics and all assorted voicing their individual "opinions."
          I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want mine right now.
          I don't know what you're upset about. He did say 'most' not 'all'. So he didn't say he was speaking for everyone. If you go through the threads I think you'll find that most do in fact have concerns about our defence, so it's a factually true statement.

          If you're not concerned about our KPPs, I can understand that position as well. Just state your case. I'm sure it will be a good and I would be most interested in your thoughts.

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          • Buffalo
            On the Rookie List
            • Apr 2015
            • 19

            #20
            Originally posted by Ludwig
            I don't know what you're upset about. He did say 'most' not 'all'. So he didn't say he was speaking for everyone. If you go through the threads I think you'll find that most do in fact have concerns about our defence, so it's a factually true statement.

            If you're not concerned about our KPPs, I can understand that position as well. Just state your case. I'm sure it will be a good and I would be most interested in your thoughts.
            Okay. My thoughts. I trust in the Swans staff. I trust in the recruiters. Yeah, I'm one of those. I trust in the talent that got these boys where they are.
            I trust that they will be brought up to the best they can be. I trust they should be given that time. I trust that people on a fan forum of our team would support these "un-blooded" players. God, I hate the term "blooded." I trust that we give these players a chance without rushing them out the door. I trust that we as "supporters" actually support. You know, like in encourage and hope that OUR CLUB KNOWS WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE DOING! And for the record, they've kind of proven that. Horse is amazing in his judgement and amazing in his keen eye for talent. If these boys are there, they're there for a reason. Let's try and show our support on a support forum, cause I actually believe our club knows what the hell they're doing. Shoot me.

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            • Mug Punter
              On the Rookie List
              • Nov 2009
              • 3325

              #21
              Originally posted by Buffalo
              Okay. My thoughts. I trust in the Swans staff. I trust in the recruiters. Yeah, I'm one of those. I trust in the talent that got these boys where they are.
              I trust that they will be brought up to the best they can be. I trust they should be given that time. I trust that people on a fan forum of our team would support these "un-blooded" players. God, I hate the term "blooded." I trust that we give these players a chance without rushing them out the door. I trust that we as "supporters" actually support. You know, like in encourage and hope that OUR CLUB KNOWS WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE DOING! And for the record, they've kind of proven that. Horse is amazing in his judgement and amazing in his keen eye for talent. If these boys are there, they're there for a reason. Let's try and show our support on a support forum, cause I actually believe our club knows what the hell they're doing. Shoot me.
              +1

              In Horse we trust!

              That thumping last night has been brewing for a few weeks now, I was actually not that surprised.

              The idea we need a rebuild is crazy but I do believe we need to freshen up the list.

              Mills and Dunks added to Heeney will freshen up the list quite a bit and you'd hope that Hewett will also come on...

              In terms of this year I think we need our very top 22 fit to have any chance come September - Heeney, Rohan and McGlynn will add a bit more starch but I fear we are gone this year

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              • Ludwig
                Veterans List
                • Apr 2007
                • 9359

                #22
                Originally posted by Buffalo
                Okay. My thoughts. I trust in the Swans staff. I trust in the recruiters. Yeah, I'm one of those. I trust in the talent that got these boys where they are.
                I trust that they will be brought up to the best they can be. I trust they should be given that time. I trust that people on a fan forum of our team would support these "un-blooded" players. God, I hate the term "blooded." I trust that we give these players a chance without rushing them out the door. I trust that we as "supporters" actually support. You know, like in encourage and hope that OUR CLUB KNOWS WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE DOING! And for the record, they've kind of proven that. Horse is amazing in his judgement and amazing in his keen eye for talent. If these boys are there, they're there for a reason. Let's try and show our support on a support forum, cause I actually believe our club knows what the hell they're doing. Shoot me.
                I also think we do a fine job in developing players at the proper rate to prepare them for senior footy. It's not a matter of support or trust. It's just evaluating the talent. We all know that most drafted players don't make it very far. It's a tough gig.

                Just to use one example. I thought our recruiters did very well when we got Jordan Lockyer at pick 43 in the 2012 ND. He started well. I backed him all the way, but in the end he just wasn't good enough. I think our recruiters have done a great job, particularly in recent years. But it's still a bit of a lottery, especially when you get past the first round.

                As for our KPPs not playing seniors, we have X Richards, Aliir, Davis, McLaren and Melican. That's 2 late ND picks and 3 rookies. Very few make it from those draft positions. If 2 have successful careers, I will applaud our recruiting staff for a superb job. Personally, I think Davis will make it, and if one of the other 4 can as well, I'll start clapping.

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                • Scottee
                  Senior Player
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 1585

                  #23
                  I think Melican will too and I am hopeful of McLaren too but right ATM we are one injury away from having no recognised KP defenders.
                  We have them where we want them, everything is going according to plan!

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                  • ugg
                    Can you feel it?
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                    • Jan 2003
                    • 15963

                    #24



                    Heeney's disposals breakdown by quarter: 11-8-5-5. 16 contested possessions
                    Newman's disposals breakdown by quarter: 4-9-12-11. 14 contested possessions. 14 handball receives. Only one of Newman's 22 kicks was classed as ineffective. 6 were classed as long kicks.
                    Robinson's disposals breakdown by quarter: 11-7-5-9. 12 contested possessions
                    Mills 20 disposals in a half, 15 in the last quarter
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                    • 707
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                      • Aug 2009
                      • 6204

                      #25
                      Newman looks very efficient with the ball in hand - to debut this week!

                      Heeney's stats are impressive, 11 tackles to go with all the other stuff.

                      Mills, 15 in a quarter, that's Tom Mitchell pace!

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                      • mcs
                        Travelling Swannie!!
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 8149

                        #26
                        Originally posted by ugg



                        Heeney's disposals breakdown by quarter: 11-8-5-5. 16 contested possessions
                        Newman's disposals breakdown by quarter: 4-9-12-11. 14 contested possessions. 14 handball receives. Only one of Newman's 22 kicks was classed as ineffective. 6 were classed as long kicks.
                        Robinson's disposals breakdown by quarter: 11-7-5-9. 12 contested possessions
                        Mills 20 disposals in a half, 15 in the last quarter
                        Great to hear Newman using the ball very efficiently. I have hopes that he will become part of our seniors 22 sooner rather than later, if he can get his body right and get some consistent football going.
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                        • Conor_Dillon
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Jun 2013
                          • 1224

                          #27
                          20 touches and 7 marks in your first half of footy for the season is pretty ridiculous, regardless of opposition.
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                          • Pmcc2911
                            Regular in the Side
                            • May 2013
                            • 516

                            #28
                            Good to see the Toppies get amongst the goals

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                            • YvonneH
                              Senior Player
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 1141

                              #29
                              Questions.
                              1. Can the toppies nominate for the ND
                              2. Can we take a toppie in the Rookie Draft without them nominating for the ND? (or would that be draft tampering?)

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                              • mcs
                                Travelling Swannie!!
                                • Jul 2007
                                • 8149

                                #30
                                Other thing to take from those stats is veale knows how to find the ball. He impressed me a few weeks ago against eastlake down here - one to keep an eye on.
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