Round 16: Sydney v Hawthorn

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  • Auntie.Gerald
    Veterans List
    • Oct 2009
    • 6474

    My only comment is that I don't think the margin would have been as much at halftime if we had a fully fit mcglynn, rohan, Heeney, Pyke

    If we weakened the Hawks by removing approx equivalent style players such poppa, Gunston, Breust, McEvoy then it would have been interesting

    But we will never know

    Either way the Hawks have put to the sword their two biggest contenders and if west coast continue to evolve they might be the only team to provide any resistance
    "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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    • bodgie
      Regular in the Side
      • Jul 2007
      • 501

      I find it disturbing that so many here in this thread and commentators have already gifted Hawthorn the premiership. Not that its unwarranted but with all the efforts of the AFL to manipulate equalisation it shows that already on round 17 they have failed miserably, as they have with stylising the game through constant knee jerk rule changes. I wouldn't object to a major overhaul though.

      In the Swans defence I can only observe that we have never been good at dominating through a full season of the home and away. We were obliged to start hot after such a dismal 2014 GF. Hopefully after muddling through a few dodgy wins against the lowly teams the horror show of last night will kickstart some genuine reforms or spirit in the run up to the finals.

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      • Ludwig
        Veterans List
        • Apr 2007
        • 9359

        Here's the link to Rohan Connally's comments on SEN referred to earlier. It's worth a listen, but nothing new that hasn't been commented on already.

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        • Plugger46
          Senior Player
          • Apr 2003
          • 3674

          The biggest problem I see with our list is the bottom 6/fringe players. B.Jack, Shaw, Jones, Lloyd, Towers, Nankervis, Cunningham, Robinson and the like is where we're falling away in my view.
          Bloods

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          • 707
            Veterans List
            • Aug 2009
            • 6204

            Originally posted by Plugger46
            The biggest problem I see with our list is the bottom 6/fringe players. B.Jack, Shaw, Jones, Lloyd, Towers, Nankervis, Cunningham, Robinson and the like is where we're falling away in my view.
            The bottom 6 has always dictated how good a team is. It was one of the reasons St.Kilda failed, their bottom 6 was very ordinary and the host of superstatrs couldn't cover that.

            Our depth has been severely diluted over the past two seasons and our bottom six would not get a game in a number of other teams. That is where we are currently at.

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            • YvonneH
              Senior Player
              • Sep 2011
              • 1141

              Brian Lake's marking the man technique has me intrigued. He stands to the side and not directly in front (presume this is legal as he is not pulled up on it) and then runs in. Anyone else notice this?. Does any other player do this?. I know they move around on the mark a lot.

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              • AnnieH
                RWOs Black Sheep
                • Aug 2006
                • 11332

                Well, that was pretty @@@@, wasn't it? It's not like I didn't predict they were going to rip us a new one.
                Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                • mcs
                  Travelling Swannie!!
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 8150

                  Originally posted by Plugger46
                  The biggest problem I see with our list is the bottom 6/fringe players. B.Jack, Shaw, Jones, Lloyd, Towers, Nankervis, Cunningham, Robinson and the like is where we're falling away in my view.
                  This is a real issue - especially compared to our bottom 6 of the 2012 Flag team. In last year's unmentionable game, it wasn't an issue as our Bottom 6 expanded to be a Bottom 22 - but quite clearly, the bottom of our 22 is weak. Compare that to Hawthorn - who seem to be able to lose half a dozen players and their depth is unaffected, and you can see why the rest of the comp is well behind them in terms of being able to put out a quality line up, week in, week out.
                  "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                  • barry
                    Veterans List
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 8499

                    Originally posted by YvonneH
                    Brian Lake's marking the man technique has me intrigued. He stands to the side and not directly in front (presume this is legal as he is not pulled up on it) and then runs in. Anyone else notice this?. Does any other player do this?. I know they move around on the mark a lot.
                    Worked great too.

                    Swans should have put a player to block him since he is not standing the mark.
                    But swans were playing for themselves so not interested .

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                    • aardvark
                      Veterans List
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 5685

                      Originally posted by mcs
                      This is a real issue - especially compared to our bottom 6 of the 2012 Flag team.
                      Is this because we can't afford to pay for something slightly better or is our player development not as good as it was?

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                      • mcs
                        Travelling Swannie!!
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 8150

                        Originally posted by aardvark
                        Is this because we can't afford to pay for something slightly better or is our player development not as good as it was?
                        Not sure what it is Aardvark - I'd hazard a guess its a combination of the two, plus a deterioration in clarity around our gameplan, which means our bottom six are far more exposed than they were in 2012.

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                        Originally posted by YvonneH
                        Brian Lake's marking the man technique has me intrigued. He stands to the side and not directly in front (presume this is legal as he is not pulled up on it) and then runs in. Anyone else notice this?. Does any other player do this?. I know they move around on the mark a lot.
                        I hate this trend in footy at the moment - there should be one man on the mark and that is it, none of this nonsense we are seeing at the moment where they are forming an arc of players. Good on them if they can get away with it, but it is a real bug bear of mine.
                        "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                        • Plugger1300
                          Warming the Bench
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 310

                          Originally posted by WauchopeAnalyst
                          Been there since 1983, gone to games with just 4000 other spectators, last on the ladder, and losing by 50 points to the 2nd last team so i think i have a little bit of knowledge and experience. I have been trying to explain for weeks that we are in trouble but was mostly shouted down with results, ladder, etc. Tonight exposed. No tenuous support just like having a few comments and a little discussion about structures, game theory, coaching. We are not playing enough games in a style the puts you in a position to make a stake for the flag. Last year or any previous year means not too much or sometimes nothing.
                          Agree on this. We can be negavtive as long as it's constructive.
                          I to said that we were in danger. With the ladder had played out. It gave us a false sense of where we are at.
                          We still have 12 weeks to get this right.

                          Nothing wrong with being a realist

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                          • snajik
                            Senior Player
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 1115

                            Originally posted by mcs
                            This is a real issue - especially compared to our bottom 6 of the 2012 Flag team. In last year's unmentionable game, it wasn't an issue as our Bottom 6 expanded to be a Bottom 22 - but quite clearly, the bottom of our 22 is weak. Compare that to Hawthorn - who seem to be able to lose half a dozen players and their depth is unaffected, and you can see why the rest of the comp is well behind them in terms of being able to put out a quality line up, week in, week out.
                            The players we were forced to shed in order to get Buddy (and not that Buddy hasn?t been an outstanding acquisition) has seriously affected our depth. We no longer seem able to absorb a handful of injuries any more. When you look at that ?bottom 6? they don?t stack up so well against Mumford, White, Membrey, Everitt for example, and even Jed Lamb who is struggling to get a run at GWS is at least the equal of B Jack or Towers in my estimation. For starters he can kick long and score goals.

                            It?s possibly too early in Robinson?s development and Nankervis' for that matter to carry much baggage for the current situation, though on limited appearances I?m not sensing they are matchwinners.
                            It's very hard to live in a studio apartment in San Jose with a man who's learning to play violin. That's what she told the police when she handed them the empty revolver.
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                            • aardvark
                              Veterans List
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 5685

                              Originally posted by snajik
                              The players we were forced to shed in order to get Buddy (and not that Buddy hasn?t been an outstanding acquisition) has seriously affected our depth.
                              So is it better to have Buddy or a stronger bottom six?

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                              • snajik
                                Senior Player
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 1115

                                Originally posted by aardvark
                                So is it better to have Buddy or a stronger bottom six?
                                Probably Buddy, but on the condition that no one gets injured.
                                It's very hard to live in a studio apartment in San Jose with a man who's learning to play violin. That's what she told the police when she handed them the empty revolver.
                                The Scarlatti Tilt - Richard Brautigan

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