Round 16: Sydney v Hawthorn

[dimelb]

While checking the replay, you didn't happen to tally up all the frees that Stevic gave to the Hawks, did you? I sort of want to, but I can't really bring myself to start up the DVD.

25-18 Hawks' favour. From The Age stats.

[wolftone57]

Jack: We can't dwell on loss - sydneyswans.com.au

Another diatribe by a captain who doesn't stand up and be counted. Both him and Macca go missing along with the rest and they do not lead by example. their disposal was just as crappy as every other player. They could both take a good look at Lukie Parker and see what a real leader is. He stood up. He tried to get things going and get some cohesion in the team. Same with Goodsie. Goodsie showed real leadership with his young mate Parks.

[dejavoodoo44]

25-18 Hawks' favour. From The Age stats.

Without wanting to sound pedantic, I was talking about Stevic himself: since while watching on Saturday night, it seemed that the other two umpires were pretty even handed, but Stevic was heavily favouring Hawthorn. Of course, my perceptions may have been slightly biased.

[mcs]

6. Jetts role is another confusing one. He has done well but needs more time to get the KO right. Macca needs to be permanent HB. He, Jetts & Rampe the runners out of the defence.

Our forward structures don't work and are our main problem.

We should give up this idea of Jetta being a defender - whenever he is actually called upon to defend, he looks totally lost.

As for our Forward line, I don't think we have a forward structure - that is how bad it is at the moment.

You are very harsh on our defence. Yes they've been exposed at times this season, but we are still one of the best defensive teams going around (measured by points conceded).

[ScottH]

Teddy one week suspension.

Jetta $1000 fine for his bump on Breust

Parker also fined $1000 for rough conduct on Birchall.

Was that the foot in the knackers???

[WauchopeAnalyst]

Wolftone57. Pretty good post. I am sure that Lloyd selected at the end of 2012 and played the 2013 as a rookie and was upgraded in 2014 and played about 21 games. It is called the 2013 rookie draft but occurred in December 2012.

[707]

Changes this week are firming to

OUT - Tippett, Bird, Ted

IN - Pyke, Heeney, Laidler

[Nico]

I only read the blurb but what he says is what I have been thinking all this year. Not only is our 2012 game plan with a few tweaks, so, so predictable but we have just shoved Buddy and KT into it and continued on. It was interesting to see that with both of them out we still won, no probs, that's how we have played for the last x number of years. Put Buddy and KT back in, and yet again we see how easily they are shut down when in the forward line. We do not yet know how to maximise their skills and talents nor have we an effective plan B for when teams drop extra players back. Watching Buddy on Sat. night I wondered if he was about ready to give up. If it is frustrating to watch I can't imagine what it is like for him.

What is a mystery to me is that we went after 2 forwards with proven ability, at considerable cost, but we stick with a game plan/forward structure that functions as well or even better without them. Maybe we should stick with KT as our number 1 ruck man (when he is available) and put Buddy permanently on the wing. Goodesy and Reid are good enough to keep the opposition key backs busy and we don't bomb the ball in long on top of their heads quite so much.

The Hawks really are impressive in the way they change things up and are always at the cutting edge. Like surrounding Buddy with the arc of players when he was kicking for goal, and coming out on Sat. night very controlled, smooth, confident and clinical after a period of physically roughing teams up, especially the Swans.

We don't have enough or any small forwards. Put Heeney and McGlynn in there at the feet of Franklin and you will see a difference. I would rather see Tippett as purely a ruckman which will make a our forward line less predictable.

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Jack: We can't dwell on loss - sydneyswans.com.au

Another diatribe by a captain who doesn't stand up and be counted. Both him and Macca go missing along with the rest and they do not lead by example. their disposal was just as crappy as every other player. They could both take a good look at Lukie Parker and see what a real leader is. He stood up. He tried to get things going and get some cohesion in the team. Same with Goodsie. Goodsie showed real leadership with his young mate Parks.

Surely you are gagging Wolfy. Jack was one of the few who had a go on Saturday for most of the game.

[dimelb]

We don't have enough or any small forwards. Put Heeney and McGlynn in there at the feet of Franklin and you will see a difference. I would rather see Tippett as purely a ruckman which will make a our forward line less predictable.

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Surely you are gagging Wolfy. Jack was one of the few who had a go on Saturday for most of the game.

So was McVeigh.

[dimelb]

Horse's response:

Kurt Tippett, Ted Richards out as Sydney Swans get bake from John Longmire

[stevoswan]

Itensity wasn't the problem, it was our skills and gameplan.

It's all three! We are in trouble. Fringe players have to step up big time, established players have to step up big time and the coaching panel has to step up big time, and come up with better game day strategies, and better training drills that focus on precision disposal and elite decision making when under pressure. We have slipped down the pecking order in all of these areas, and need to turn it all around fast, or our ladder position will soon reflect the truth of our predicament. Also, it's time for some 'Bloods' pride to kick in.....BIG TIME!!!

[dejavoodoo44]

Horse's response:

Kurt Tippett, Ted Richards out as Sydney Swans get bake from John Longmire

Though I think it was possibly a chance to utter the words that sports fans worldwide might like to hear more often, but pretty well never hear, "I'm sorry, but the game plan was crap".

[stevoswan]

Though I think it was possibly a chance to utter the words that sports fans worldwide might like to hear more often, but pretty well never hear, "I'm sorry, but the game plan was crap".

As we did in the 60's, 70's, and 80's, we can only but dream.....I know that sounds negative, but I can't believe I could feel so low about my club while it sits in the top four......really weird.

[Meg]

Interesting that Parker has challenged his $1000 fine. If he loses the fine will increase to $1500. I assume he believes it was an accident and doesn't want any form of blemish on his record. I'm sure it was an accident but I don't like his chances of getting the finding overturned. Too many viewings by too many people of the incident in slow motion which always makes contact look premeditated.

[erica]

Interesting that Parker has challenged his $1000 fine. If he loses the fine will increase to $1500. I assume he believes it was an accident and doesn't want any form of blemish on his record. I'm sure it was an accident but I don't like his chances of getting the finding overturned. Too many viewings by too many people of the incident in slow motion which always makes contact look premeditated.

I've not heard of any player challenging a fine before. Is this unusual?