Swans / Collingwood player movement over the years?

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  • 0918330512
    Senior Player
    • Sep 2011
    • 1654

    Swans / Collingwood player movement over the years?

    [B]I was talking to a Collingwood supporter today and expressed my lament about how many pleyers they have pilfered off us over the years. As I was reeling them off they commented "you could fill a team with them!" ... I kept going ...

    It got me thinking, what sort of a team has Collingwood "stolen" from us over the years?

    Off the top of my head I came up with ...

    B Tony Armstrong, Shane Morwood, Clinton King
    HB Billy Picken, Jesse White, Mark Kinnear *
    C Paul Licuria, Greg Smith, Mark Orchard
    HF Demott Brereton, Anthony Rocca, Paul Morwood
    F Paul Hawke, Graham Teasdale, David Young

    Ru Darren Jolly
    RR Gerard Healy **
    Ro Barry Mitchell

    I/C Peter Carter Jon Hummel

    * traded, but didn?t play seniors
    ** drafted after retiring with injury, but didn?t sign with Collingwood


    Then that got me thinking, maybe I was being too harsh. We have, after all, recruited a few from them ...

    Paul Williams
    Nick Davis
    Andrew Schauble
    Len Thompson
    Billy Picken
    Mark Orchard
    Paul Hawke
    Gavin Rose
    Robbie Ahmat
    Robert Dean
    Craig Davis
    Andrew Smith
    Scott Russell
    Mattew Ryan
    Ben Wilson
    Kent Butcher *

    Nope! They still pillaged our list far too much! Did I miss any? I only included players who went directly from one club to the next (et not Richard Osborne who got to Collingwood from us via the Dogs).
  • DA_Swan
    Warming the Bench
    • Feb 2010
    • 322

    #2
    Originally posted by 09183305
    [B]I was talking to a Collingwood supporter today and expressed my lament about how many pleyers they have pilfered off us over the years. As I was reeling them off they commented "you could fill a team with them!" ... I kept going ...

    It got me thinking, what sort of a team has Collingwood "stolen" from us over the years?

    Off the top of my head I came up with ...

    B Tony Armstrong, Shane Morwood, Clinton King
    HB Billy Picken, Jesse White, Mark Kinnear *
    C Paul Licuria, Greg Smith, Mark Orchard
    HF Demott Brereton, Anthony Rocca, Paul Morwood
    F Paul Hawke, Graham Teasdale, David Young

    Ru Darren Jolly
    RR Gerard Healy **
    Ro Barry Mitchell

    I/C Peter Carter Jon Hummel

    * traded, but didn?t play seniors
    ** drafted after retiring with injury, but didn?t sign with Collingwood


    Then that got me thinking, maybe I was being too harsh. We have, after all, recruited a few from them ...

    Paul Williams
    Nick Davis
    Andrew Schauble
    Len Thompson
    Billy Picken
    Mark Orchard
    Paul Hawke
    Gavin Rose
    Robbie Ahmat
    Robert Dean
    Craig Davis
    Andrew Smith
    Scott Russell
    Mattew Ryan
    Ben Wilson
    Kent Butcher *

    Nope! They still pillaged our list far too much! Did I miss any? I only included players who went directly from one club to the next (et not Richard Osborne who got to Collingwood from us via the Dogs).
    Rhys Shaw maybe !!!

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    • Meg
      Go Swannies!
      Site Admin
      • Aug 2011
      • 4828

      #3
      Rhyce Shaw was a pretty good inwards trade.

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      • Meg
        Go Swannies!
        Site Admin
        • Aug 2011
        • 4828

        #4
        Originally posted by Meg
        Rhyce Shaw was a pretty good inwards trade.
        Snap! must have been typing same time as above.

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        • liz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16733

          #5
          I reckon we're ahead on contribution. Some of the earlier names (vintage wise) are a bit before my time (or right at the time I started following footy) but weren't most of them in the twilights of their careers? Of those who weren't, Rocca and Licuria were very good players for the Pies. Rocca was always going to leave though, whether to the Pies or somewhere else. Jolly provided them a couple of very valuable years' service at the end of his career.

          But look at what we have had in return. Williams and Schauble won three best and fairests between them and were instrumental in the 2005 premiership, even if, sadly, Schaubs didn't get to play. He was certainly valuable in the development of the team that did. Davis we all know about. Shaw's been good value, and was a worthy contributor to the 2012 premiership. I think I'd take our group of pillagees over theirs.

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          • 0918330512
            Senior Player
            • Sep 2011
            • 1654

            #6
            Originally posted by DA_Swan
            Rhys Shaw maybe !!!
            I was going so well until that glaring omission!

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            • goswannies
              Senior Player
              • Sep 2007
              • 3048

              #7
              Originally posted by liz
              I reckon we're ahead on contribution. Some of the earlier names (vintage wise) are a bit before my time (or right at the time I started following footy) but weren't most of them in the twilights of their careers? Of those who weren't, Rocca and Licuria were very good players for the Pies. Rocca was always going to leave though, whether to the Pies or somewhere else. Jolly provided them a couple of very valuable years' service at the end of his career.

              But look at what we have had in return. Williams and Schauble won three best and fairests between them and were instrumental in the 2005 premiership, even if, sadly, Schaubs didn't get to play. He was certainly valuable in the development of the team that did. Davis we all know about. Shaw's been good value, and was a worthy contributor to the 2012 premiership. I think I'd take our group of pillagees over theirs.
              Well, Teaser and Heals both won Brownlows with us before Collingwood went after them. Healy was retired because of a severe wrist injury but Collingwood thought they could get a bit more out of him - Healy was smarter than that! Greg Smith, S.Morwood & Mitchell were Vic Reps, so the Pies stole quality - Mitch didn't play well for the Pies, but proceeded to play some good footy for the Blues, so no twilight there. Dermie was a has been Champ (so he negates Len Thompson who had won a Brownlow before we got him). King played solid footy in his first (injury interrupted) year at the Pies missed 8 games but still finished top 10 in their Copeland Trophy. Orchard played over 40 games in just 2 seasons for us & had a top 10 B&F finish before the Pies nabbed him (back). Jesse White ... is tall. Paul Hawke was good when the Pies stole him. 2nd in their B&F in his 2nd season with them. They gave Hawke back when he was past his used by date. & Rocca & Licuria were champions of Collingwood. Licuria won their B&F twice & Rocca lead their goal kicking 4 times (& in his first 3 years after joining the Pies, he his to compete with his brother, Sav, who topped their goal kicking those years). Nope, I think they did ok.
              Last edited by goswannies; 26 October 2015, 11:41 PM.

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              • YvonneH
                Senior Player
                • Sep 2011
                • 1141

                #8
                As much as I dislike The Pies (maybe more Eddie than the players) I think they have proven to be pretty fair traders in the past.
                Don't know if that will continue though.

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                • AnnieH
                  RWOs Black Sheep
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 11332

                  #9
                  Jessie White is Eddie's punishment. Does he count?
                  Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                  Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                  • Doctor
                    Bay 29
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 2757

                    #10
                    I think we're ahead over time but it certainly is a long list in both directions!
                    Today's a draft of your epitaph

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                    • YvonneH
                      Senior Player
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 1141

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Meg
                      Rhyce Shaw was a pretty good inwards trade.
                      Have been watching some games from 2010 during the off season and the quote above is so true. In that season he played forward quite a bit and kicked a few goals, then after that went more into defence, and now is coaching. Turned out to be a very good pickup for us, don't you think?

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                      • grarmy
                        Warming the Bench
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 406

                        #12
                        Just adding to the chat. GM (?) Andrew Ireland, and recruiting maestro Kinnear Beatson were ruckman at Collingwood albeit different eras. We did well out of those hires.
                        "Play like you can’t lose."

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                        • crackedactor
                          Regular in the Side
                          • May 2012
                          • 919

                          #13
                          Also adding a type of exchange- I remember in 1994 the then Collingwood President Allan Mcallister has arranged a deal to recruit Tony Lockett. He Took the deal to the board and it was rejected by one vote by the Collingwood board. Therefore they did us a big favour!!

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                          • Plugger46
                            Senior Player
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 3674

                            #14
                            Originally posted by grarmy
                            Just adding to the chat. GM (?) Andrew Ireland, and recruiting maestro Kinnear Beatson were ruckman at Collingwood albeit different eras. We did well out of those hires.
                            Kinnear Beatson a ruckman? Surely not.
                            Bloods

                            "Lockett is the best of all time" - Robert Harvey, Darrel Baldock, Nathan Burke, Kevin Bartlett, Bob Skilton

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                            • dimelb
                              pr. dim-melb; m not f
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 6889

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Plugger46
                              Kinnear Beatson a ruckman? Surely not.
                              He sat on Ireland's shoulders.
                              He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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