This weeks NAB Challenge against Carlton

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  • Melbourne_Blood
    Senior Player
    • May 2010
    • 3312

    Originally posted by Mug Punter
    Well I am in an absolute minority with my view of Newman

    All I will say is that he seems totally one-sided and if his disposal is like that in a regular season game he will get crucified in here. Hope I'm completely wrong though, you'd have to say him and Papley are looking good to get upgraded but I'd think Papley is way ahead in terms of getting a run, he looks really good and I agree that Benny McGlynn should be worries
    I watched most of the game, though with a limited attention span at times, and I would agree with you on what I saw of Newman. Got caught out at least 2 times with indecision, made some horrible blunders by foot, created pressure on himself, didn't like what I saw from him. ( first time I've seen him though, not writing him off, but the papers having him in the best perplexed me) Can say positive things about nearly everyone else, whether consistently through the game or just in glimpses. Hewett is strong, Papley hard, Mills what a beautiful kick, Heeneys vision, buddy's unselfish play. Lots of positives.

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    • Melbourne_Blood
      Senior Player
      • May 2010
      • 3312

      Originally posted by Ludwig
      Hewett showed that he's a lot more than just a good kick, which of course he is. He plays a physical game and tackles well. I liked the way he held his position against a bigger and tough customer in Zach Touhey, which eventually led to a goal.
      That stood out to me also, he's s strong boy.

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      • AnsweredPrayers
        Warming the Bench
        • Feb 2010
        • 123

        What has happened to Smith? I thought his form started to trail off towards the end of last year. He has been terrible. If he doesnt turn it around he will be in the reserves by the end of the year. Hope I'm wrong.

        Watched Newman expecting to see this beautiful left foot. Like a few others here I though his disposal was rubbish. Strange so few actually seemed to notice.

        Lloyd was really good last night. Can't understand why he gets so much sustained criticism.

        Lots of orher positives last night. Hopefully, they can build on that. Great drafting last year. We seem to have found 2 or 3 really good prospects.

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        • stevoswan
          Veterans List
          • Sep 2014
          • 8559

          I personally believe our list has great potential, even for this season, but I must say, after what I've read here today, and considering post 2015 season hopes for a change in game plan, it is very disappointing to hear that it doesn't seem to have changed at all! That could go for skills and decision making as well. Sigh.......is the dreaded slide down the ladder a possibility, unless things markedly improve?

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          • 707
            Veterans List
            • Aug 2009
            • 6204

            Went to Melb for the game and watched from the first deck on centre wing, perfect spot, and free entry - nice :-) My two bobs worth -

            Sinclair looks a good pick up but gee he fumbles marks
            Hewett has skills and a football brain, a certain starter IMO
            Talia, not sure why he's getting negative opinions on here, did the job he had to, looks composed and has some pace, he's a KPD not a mid
            Papley looks a likely type that we have been missing, doubt he's ready but will debut this year
            Rose is lively but still a little way off
            Lloyd, another I fail to understand the negatives, is a role player not a game changer who works hard and does the job, tick for me
            Cunningham I'm unconvinced of but will be retained for his pace, needs to find more ball
            JPK, just ticking over
            Hanners made a couple of bad errors but then miraculously retrieved the situation. Want to watch them on the replay. BOG
            Newman looks to be a likely type, generally better delivery than the rest of the team a couple of clangers excepted
            Rampe OOF x 3 - WTF, get a haircut lad!

            Not all doom but gee we need a good run with injuries this year.

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            • Mug Punter
              On the Rookie List
              • Nov 2009
              • 3325

              For mine this NAB Challenge has been a success for one reason - TOM PAPLEY!!

              We've had a bloke from the rookie list come in, take his chance and look every bit a senior footballer.

              Plus we've seen Mills come in and look very much the finished product and Heeney looking great and Buddy fit and happy.

              I'm assuming Ted will be OK but Reid and Jarad won't , so this my starting 22 against the scum

              Smith Ted Laidler
              Mills Reg Rampe
              Heeney Mitchell Jack
              Towers Buddy Parker
              Papley Tippett Harry

              Sinclair JPK Hanners

              Hewett Rose Jones Talia

              In reserve
              Reid (inj) McVeigh (inj) Rohan (inj) BJ Robbo McGlynn

              A decent side but I look at that and I still reckon we are a couple short on depth, it's why we need a Davis or Dawson to step up throughout the year

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              • liz
                Veteran
                Site Admin
                • Jan 2003
                • 16778

                No Lloyd?

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                • Mug Punter
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 3325

                  Originally posted by liz
                  No Lloyd?
                  Knew I forgot someone....

                  I rate Lloyd so he'd be in there somewhere, maybe instead of Rose on the bench

                  So, by that analysis we have 29 players we are kind of comfortable having play seniors, that's not too bad.....

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                  • 707
                    Veterans List
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 6204

                    Originally posted by Mug Punter
                    ........So, by that analysis we have 29 players we are kind of comfortable having play seniors, that's not too bad.....
                    Reckon 29 is a stretch as it contains a fair number of yet to debut and unproven at AFL level to tried but found wanting at AFL level. I'm bullish about Hewett but he is yet to be proven at the level and the rest are behind him.

                    It's all about how potent we are once a number of the above types are in the side, particularly given how a number of sides around us have improved over summer and we haven't.

                    Prepare for a ladder slide if injuries continue at the current rate.

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                    • aardvark
                      Veterans List
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 5685

                      I wouldn't be surprised if Rose gets picked ahead of Papley, he's been in the system longer and doesn't need an upgrade. I rate both of them and would be happy to see either get picked.

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                      • wolftone57
                        Veterans List
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 5857

                        On reflection the coaches tried a few different strategies. The mids strategies were an abject failure. The second quarter strategy of moving the ball quickly and cutting off their attack worked very well and forced them into errors. That left Bud in Pagan's Paddock several times with a couple of smalls. Lovely to see smalls playing under our big blokes. Papley is going to be invaluable in that game plan.

                        In the third they tried something different, we probably will never know what it actually entailed or what the outcomes were to be other than goals of course because it was an abject failure. That happens. I thought we tried some hit up footy and played it really well in the last half of the last quarter. Our players can deliver it is just that with a @@@@ty game plan they lose enthusiasm and concentration. We still put far too much pressure on our defenders. We need to win far more clearances, especially centre clearances. But I still think the most pleasing thing was we didn't just bomb and we rarely handballed back for long periods like usual. We were getting the ball forward on most accasions and that bodes well. We also played some really exciting footy at times and when the players get used to the new set ups I thuink we will be ok.

                        It always helps to have a few people who know different styles. Francou is in that vein and Kirky has always been a quirky individual and would pull stuff out of the aether. Very left field. Makes it more interesting. I'm glad Horse has decided to change. It was looking as though our game plan would have been the same as the last two to three years.

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                        Originally posted by aardvark
                        I wouldn't be surprised if Rose gets picked ahead of Papley, he's been in the system longer and doesn't need an upgrade. I rate both of them and would be happy to see either get picked.
                        Rose is a far different player to Papley. Papley is your real small forward, crumbs, in packs getting ball out, kicks crumbing goals. Rose is a lead up forward who can crumb but isn't much for in and under. He is a very good mark. Quite different types.

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                        • wolftone57
                          Veterans List
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 5857

                          Originally posted by stevoswan
                          I personally believe our list has great potential, even for this season, but I must say, after what I've read here today, and considering post 2015 season hopes for a change in game plan, it is very disappointing to hear that it doesn't seem to have changed at all! That could go for skills and decision making as well. Sigh.......is the dreaded slide down the ladder a possibility, unless things markedly improve?

                          I think they tried new things in this game. The second quarter we were running a Pagan's Paddock style set up. Bud was set up several times. We also took advantage of having a strong small forward in Papley and used him on several occasions in transition. Passing instead of bombing. Hewett and Parks both took advantage of good passing by making great leads. This was a set up we haven't seen before. Hewett changes the dynamic quite a bit. His beautiful delivery and ability to make space make him another dangerous option forward.

                          We tried things against Carlton. some worked, some didn't (third quarter and part of last). Our new midfield set ups didn't quite work but they will tweak them like last year and we will hold our own. So in the first two games it seemed a bit of same old same old but in the Carlton game we played far differently. We need to win far more clearances to take the pressure off the defence though.

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                          • aardvark
                            Veterans List
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 5685

                            Originally posted by wolftone57
                            Rose is a far different player to Papley. Papley is your real small forward, crumbs, in packs getting ball out, kicks crumbing goals. Rose is a lead up forward who can crumb but isn't much for in and under. He is a very good mark. Quite different types.
                            It will certainly be an interesting selection week, I hope they both get a run.

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                            • stevoswan
                              Veterans List
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 8559

                              Originally posted by aardvark
                              It will certainly be an interesting selection week, I hope they both get a run.
                              Interesting year ahead for Cunningham and BJ it seems......trade bait at seasons end?

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                              • Auntie.Gerald
                                Veterans List
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 6480

                                HC had a very good game against Port in rd 1 nab
                                "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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