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  • dawson
    Senior Player
    • Mar 2003
    • 1007

    Nick Malceski and other departing Swans

    When watching the game, was kind of sad to see what's happened to Grand Final hero Nick Malceski. Get that he went up there for huge money but apart from that, it's been a disaster for him. Got thinking that in recent years, we've got the better in terms of player movement in that players seem to play better footy while with us.

    Tried to come up with a list of players post 1996 who excelled after leaving the Swans
    *Peter Caven
    *Scott Stevens
    *Paul Licuria
    *Anthony Rocca/Shannon Grant (truth be told they were never staying but still putting them here)
    *Sean Dempster (still have no idea why we gave away a Father Son premiership player - anyone know)
    *Shane Biggs
  • goswannies
    Senior Player
    • Sep 2007
    • 3049

    #2
    Originally posted by dawson
    When watching the game, was kind of sad to see what's happened to Grand Final hero Nick Malceski. Get that he went up there for huge money but apart from that, it's been a disaster for him. Got thinking that in recent years, we've got the better in terms of player movement in that players seem to play better footy while with us.

    Tried to come up with a list of players post 1996 who excelled after leaving the Swans
    *Peter Caven
    *Scott Stevens
    *Paul Licuria
    *Anthony Rocca/Shannon Grant (truth be told they were never staying but still putting them here)
    *Sean Dempster (still have no idea why we gave away a Father Son premiership player - anyone know)
    *Shane Biggs
    Mummy, Drey & Tim Membry haven't been too bad at their respective clubs

    Schneider was probably at least as good with the Saints as he was with us.

    Dan Currie, while not setting the world alight, has achieved more since leaving, as has Nipper Gordon
    Last edited by goswannies; 5 June 2016, 07:27 PM.

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    • barry
      Veterans List
      • Jan 2003
      • 8499

      #3
      Top 5 who left by our choice..
      1. Mummy. Mistake keeping pyke instead in hindsight.
      2. Schneider. Classy player
      3. Dempster.
      4. Jesse white. Good on him. We all have a soft spot for him.
      5. Andreas everitt. Would be a handy cover for ted right now.


      On ch 7 today they showed who has already left the giants and its a full afl quality list.

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      • dejavoodoo44
        Veterans List
        • Apr 2015
        • 8626

        #4
        In regards to Dempster and Schneider being traded out, I always thought it was for salary cap reasons.

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        • goswannies
          Senior Player
          • Sep 2007
          • 3049

          #5
          Originally posted by barry
          Top 5 who left by our choice..
          1. Mummy. Mistake keeping pyke instead in hindsight.

          On ch 7 today they showed who has already left the giants and its a full afl quality list.
          How was that a mistake? Pyke was paid peanuts, Mummy went to clear cap space for Buddy

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          Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
          In regards to Dempster and Schneider being traded out, I always thought it was for salary cap reasons.
          Yup. Adam was told about the potential trade while on holidays if I recall correctly - & wasn't happy

          Dempster sweetened the deal

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          Originally posted by barry
          Top 5 who left by our choice..

          4. Jesse white. Good on him. We all have a soft spot for him.
          I do have a soft spot, but no great loss so far. Spanger was a bigger loss than Jesse

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          • Mug Punter
            On the Rookie List
            • Nov 2009
            • 3325

            #6
            Originally posted by goswannies
            How was that a mistake? Pyke was paid peanuts, Mummy went to clear cap space for Buddy

            - - - Updated - - -



            Yup. Adam was told about the potential trade while on holidays if I recall correctly - & wasn't happy

            Dempster sweetened the deal

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            I do have a soft spot, but no great loss so far. Spanger was a bigger loss than Jesse
            To suggest we have lost anything from letting Jesse White go is utterly ridiculous.

            Mummy we needed to let go to allow the Franklin deal to happen to say we could have kept him and let Pyke go is equally ignorant.

            There's not too many we've had leave lately that have come back to bite us. Biggs is going well for the Doggies, and I'm genuinely happy for him, but he'd probably only sneak into our side now.

            I'm not sure that the decision to take Leonardis and Dawson instead of Josh Dunkley may turn out to be a poor choice but I feel there was a bit more to that decision than meets the eye. I think that Dunkley Senior has turned into such a vindictive and nasty old cretin that we really didn't want his influence anywhere about the club and I think that also we saw drafting Josh as needlessly inflaming our list debate given the baggage the kid would have brought.

            The fact the guys like Lamb, Everett (another guy I'm stoked to see going well) and Membrey (doesn't he have show pony written all over him) can go onto good careers elsewhere is a big tick to our system, even the fish that we throw back get a run elsewhere

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            • Doctor
              Bay 29
              • Sep 2003
              • 2757

              #7
              Considering what Dempster has done at St Kilda, you'd have to say that he was our biggest "loss" of recent times. Having said that, we traded him as part of our play to get Mattner, and we won a flag with him on board so I'm not saying this with any regret. Mummy would be next after him because of the fact that Dempster has greater longevity.
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              • goswannies
                Senior Player
                • Sep 2007
                • 3049

                #8
                Originally posted by Mug Punter
                To suggest we have lost anything from letting Jesse White go is utterly ridiculous.

                Mummy we needed to let go to allow the Franklin deal to happen to say we could have kept him and let Pyke go is equally ignorant.

                There's not too many we've had leave lately that have come back to bite us. Biggs is going well for the Doggies, and I'm genuinely happy for him, but he'd probably only sneak into our side now.

                I'm not sure that the decision to take Leonardis and Dawson instead of Josh Dunkley may turn out to be a poor choice but I feel there was a bit more to that decision than meets the eye. I think that Dunkley Senior has turned into such a vindictive and nasty old cretin that we really didn't want his influence anywhere about the club and I think that also we saw drafting Josh as needlessly inflaming our list debate given the baggage the kid would have brought.

                The fact the guys like Lamb, Everett (another guy I'm stoked to see going well) and Membrey (doesn't he have show pony written all over him) can go onto good careers elsewhere is a big tick to our system, even the fish that we throw back get a run elsewhere
                Mug, when you quoted me, I don't quite get it ... isn't much of what you wrote the same as what I wrote?

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                • Mug Punter
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 3325

                  #9
                  Originally posted by goswannies
                  Mug, when you quoted me, I don't quite get it ... isn't much of what you wrote the same as what I wrote?
                  Ha ha, I was actually agreeing with you (and your responses to boring barry) but can see how my post was confusing.

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                  • goswannies
                    Senior Player
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 3049

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Mug Punter
                    Ha ha, I was actually agreeing with you (and your responses to boring barry) but can see how my post was confusing.
                    right you are!

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                    • Dosser
                      Just wild about Harry
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 1833

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Mug Punter
                      To suggest we have lost anything from letting Jesse White go is utterly ridiculous.

                      Mummy we needed to let go to allow the Franklin deal to happen to say we could have kept him and let Pyke go is equally ignorant.

                      There's not too many we've had leave lately that have come back to bite us. Biggs is going well for the Doggies, and I'm genuinely happy for him, but he'd probably only sneak into our side now.

                      I'm not sure that the decision to take Leonardis and Dawson instead of Josh Dunkley may turn out to be a poor choice but I feel there was a bit more to that decision than meets the eye. I think that Dunkley Senior has turned into such a vindictive and nasty old cretin that we really didn't want his influence anywhere about the club and I think that also we saw drafting Josh as needlessly inflaming our list debate given the baggage the kid would have brought.

                      The fact the guys like Lamb, Everett (another guy I'm stoked to see going well) and Membrey (doesn't he have show pony written all over him) can go onto good careers elsewhere is a big tick to our system, even the fish that we throw back get a run elsewhere
                      Wow. You really have it in for Dunkley Snr. I'm not sure where you get your sources about Josh bringing that sort of baggage to the club, but unless you know them personally then you really are speculating in a very nasty way. Josh was happy to come here but also wanted to stay in Melbourne near family, etc.
                      Andrew had a problem with Roos, not the club itself, and to call him a "vindictive and nasty old cretin" is WAY out of line.

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                      • ugg
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                        • Jan 2003
                        • 15970

                        #12
                        Don't forget Jonathan Simpkin, who won a premiership with Hawthorn, was on our list for 2 or 3 years in the mid 2000s. Started on the rookie list, even earned a promotion to the senior list at the end of one season but never played a senior game
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                        • barry
                          Veterans List
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 8499

                          #13
                          I don't think the mummy for buddy swap is as simple as made out. Mummy was out of favour with Longmire after the 2012 grand final, sheer he played injured and had to be subbed out .We could have kept mummy and lost other player(s) instead to gey buddy.
                          Imagine a mummy / tippet ruck combo now.

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                          • Ludwig
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9359

                            #14
                            I prefer to look at how things ended up after all of these player movements rather than imagine what might have been if he didn't do this trade or that one. The result has been is we've been up there near the top of the table for quite a few years and now find ourselves seriously challenging for another premiership. And the best of all is that we have a relatively young team that seems destined to be very competitive for years to come.

                            I'm happy for all those ex swans that have moved on and playing well at other clubs. Yet despite how many we've lost, we find ourselves in a position where it's difficult to name enough players to delist or retire at year end to make room to meet the minimum draft numbers and promote rookie players that deserve to be on our senior list. So you would have to say that whatever the player dealings we've made in recent times were, it's turned out beneficial. No rebuilds, no falling out of the 8. We just keep motoring on.

                            If we had kept Mummy, we probably would have never found out just how good a ruckman Tippett could be.

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                            • goswannies
                              Senior Player
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 3049

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Ludwig
                              If we had kept Mummy, we probably would have never found out just how good a ruckman Tippett could be.
                              If you had the benefit of hindsight & you could keep only one of Tippett or Mummy (based on current form & future potential) as your number one ruckman, at the time we lost Mummy, who would you have kept?

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