Rnd 15 MDT Sydney V Western Bulldogs. SCG 16.35pm

[kilroy]

Oh and one more thing, trade Mitchell at the end of the year. IF he thinks he is going to get a buddy type wage playing as a slow 1980s midfielder, then he can go to Carlton.

[barry]

Blaming umpires for a loss is pathetic. We blew it. Its just as unfair to blame buddy for not handpassing over to mcglynn in the goalsquare as it is lloyd.

[mcs]

What did you mean by this comment Don? It certainly was a pivotal moment in the match. It seemed like a very bad mistake by Hannebery, but he was quite distraught as though he had misunderstood whose free kick it was.

From my view at the ground (and i have no interest in watching the replay) it appeared to take an enternity for the umpire to actually signal which way the free went and that hanners may have kicked it before the umpire made it clear who the free had been given to.

It was a pivotal call and probably a harsh one - hanners was very distraught after it.

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A 50 metre penalty because a player assumed wrong or didnt hear the call. 50 metre penalty is the most pathetic rule i have ever seen in any code, a massive penalty that turns matches and 9/10 never fits the crime. Stupid irrelevant crap like "Not throwing the ball back correctly" and it could cost you the game while others things like players flopping all over the place is ignored.

Add to that the blight on the game that is dropping the ball/allowed incorrect disposal.

[mcs]

Watching the last quarter again i think the moment that cost us was with about 6 1/2 minutes to go. McVeigh burst through the middle and passed to 3 Sydney players on there own 25 m out straight in front. Towers dropped the mark ( ducked head .... not sure). Parker was right behind him and also could have taken the mark with better talk. Massive golden chance to go 1 and a bit goals up.

That was a huge moment in the game - i said to my mate that would cost us. I had a bad feeling all game it would end up like the 2015 game against them

There are plenty of twists and turns still to come but i think we will rue our chokes against the dogs and tigers come rd 23, unless we can pull off a miracle and win at @@@@dinia park next friday.

[annew]

Why was Brandon Jack re-signed if he is not good enough to be played

[707]

Why was Brandon Jack re-signed if he is not good enough to be played

Unfortunately Kardinia Park next week is not the place to be making wholesale changes but faithful servant or not McGlynn must be dropped for Papley and wonder kid or not Heeney has to be dropped for someone else, maybe BJ?

You can't carry players getting so little of the ball. Rohan stays only because of his extreme pace but he also needs to find more of the ball. Maybe just leave him forward the whole match?

We are entering dangerous territory ladder and draw wise. Things could be worse, we could be Wretchmond supporters!

[longmile]

We just had to win that game last night to have a chance at the top 4. We need a mircle now. And to lose like that hurt. Just cant seem to win the close ones at the moment. McGlynn has to go and Heeney has looked lost since Rohan and James has come in with the forward role and pushed him further up the ground.

[kilroy]

TBH I dont think there are any clear cut flag favourites. Teams this season are fluctuating from being everyones flag favourites one week to then losing and being completely written off. Look at the hawks, they are first but haven't really set the AFL on fire this year.

And we could be sitting 7th or 8th in a few weeks if we dont win.

Who knows, could be the first time a team in the bottom 4 of the 8 win the flag.

Not really enjoying this season, lot of unnecessary stress.

[WauchopeAnalyst]

Is it fair to state that our onfield leadership is very fragile. Great leadership against Hawks and Kangas but struggled to put them away, but terrible against Tigers and Bulldogs. I dont want to hear about umpires, free kicks, bounces, kick straight etc.

Lost to both because onfield leadership or coaching. Griffith was left on the wing and the bounce helped them and want to Riewoldt, but it could have gone straight to Griffith and beaten us any way.

Against the Bulldogs we had 7 or 8 players around the ball, 6 or 7 within 15 metres of the goals and massive holes everywhere else.

Heeney was centred on the 50m arc and no one with 25m. A real footy player, Daniel has the ball and keeps moving looking for a target, not Swans bombing kick, and executes perfectly. Only Heeney reacted to the Bont.

Bont has the ball, where is the leadership, nothing, plenty standing around, but Johannison starts moving towards 40m right in front and only Jones and Towers react, too late.

So Heeney, Jones and Towers are our leaders because our senior players in the last 2 minutes gave us little.

We are a defensive team and cant finish the job.

Buddy is the only thing from 1-6 team to a 6-12 without him.

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[kilroy]

Blaming umpires for a loss is pathetic. We blew it. Its just as unfair to blame buddy for not handpassing over to mcglynn in the goalsquare as it is lloyd.

I am really sick to death of this attitude, umpires have made so many terrible decisions this year and a game like AFL 1 terrible umpiring decision swings the whole game. 1 @@@@ umpires call can swing momentum in a flash. I have never experienced this in any code i have followed.

This notion of not blaming umpires by AFL fans is the EXACT reason why umpiring in this code sucks Barry.

I'll stop blaming umpires the minute you agree ANZ is a @@@@hole.

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Is it fair to state that our onfield leadership is very fragile. Great leadership against Hawks and Kangas but struggled to put them away, but terrible against Tigers and Bulldogs. I dont want to hear about umpires, free kicks, bounces, kick straight etc.

Lost to both because onfield leadership or coaching. Griffith was left on the wing and the bounce helped them and want to Riewoldt, but it could have gone straight to Griffith and beaten us any way.

Against the Bulldogs we had 7 or 8 players around the ball, 6 or 7 within 15 metres of the goals and massive holes everywhere else.

Heeney was centred on the 50m arc and no one with 25m. A real footy player, Daniel has the ball and keeps moving looking for a target, not Swans bombing kick, and executes perfectly. Only Heeney reacted to the Bont.

Bont has the ball, where is the leadership, nothing, plenty standing around, but Johannison starts moving towards 40m right in front and only Jones and Towers react, too late.

So Heeney, Jones and Towers are our leaders because our senior players in the last 2 minutes gave us little.

We are a defensive team and cant finish the job.

Buddy is the only thing from 1-6 team to a 6-12 without him.

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Rubbish post mate, our leaderships fine. We were just beaten by a better and more hngry to the contest side.

And yes umpires play a massive factor, deal with it buddy. You follow a code where umpires @@@@ up in every single game, every single one and you arrogantly dismiss anyone who dares calls this out, who the hell gave you this entitlement!?

[Swanny40519]

A really disappointing loss and a great chance to be clear on top blown out of the water.

I thought Horse's tactics in the third quarter were strange - we had 2 extra in defence to try and stop their run (which didn't work) and when we got the ball forward there was no one there.

McGlynn is gone and Papley needs to get back. Heeney - is he injured. His form is poor and trying to take the big mark all the time does not work.

Bring in Newman, Naismith, Papley and drop McGlynn, Heeney and Nankervis.

[ugg]

From my view at the ground (and i have no interest in watching the replay) it appeared to take an enternity for the umpire to actually signal which way the free went and that hanners may have kicked it before the umpire made it clear who the free had been given to.

It was a pivotal call and probably a harsh one - hanners was very distraught after it.

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Add to that the blight on the game that is dropping the ball/allowed incorrect disposal.

I've watched it a few times again (4:10 on the highlights package) and I still can't work out exactly what Hanners was thinking. The umpire clearly signalled which way the free kick was going. Hanners had clear sight of the umpire. He actually kicked the ball to the umpire as there was no Bulldog or Swan in the vicinity. Then he begins pointing towards our goals and pleading his case. Did he think it was our free?

It wasn't a harsh fifty, it was correctly adjudicated.

[kilroy]

From my view at the ground (and i have no interest in watching the replay) it appeared to take an enternity for the umpire to actually signal which way the free went and that hanners may have kicked it before the umpire made it clear who the free had been given to.

It was a pivotal call and probably a harsh one - hanners was very distraught after it.

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Add to that the blight on the game that is dropping the ball/allowed incorrect disposal.

Yeah the game is confused, the umps are confused but we have supporters who tell us we should ignore these important factors.

[kilroy]

I've watched it a few times again (4:10 on the highlights package) and I still can't work out exactly what Hanners was thinking. The umpire clearly signalled which way the free kick was going. Hanners had clear sight of the umpire. He actually kicked the ball to the umpire as there was no Bulldog or Swan in the vicinity. Then he begins pointing towards our goals and pleading his case. Did he think it was our free?

It wasn't a harsh fifty, it was correctly adjudicated.

What was the free for to begin with again? I recall it was really soft. Hanners did think it was our free.

The umpire could have easily ignored it but in this code nothing kicks an umpires autism into gear as much as when a player does a minor infraction like this, gives them the chance to hold up their arm and run like an idiot backwards with a grin and show everyone who is boss.

[Ludwig]

In our previous successful era of a decade ago we could feel assured that we would come out winners in these sorts of games. But we are really a team in transition that many of us thought we were before the season started and are still working on getting the team balance right. I've been impressed all year by the resilience of the Bulldogs and still haven't worked out how they do it, but they keep on coming and they are relentless. Geelong were lucky that they got them before the bye and they were spent and couldn't kick straight. In this game they kicked those opportunistic goals through the big posts, while we missed a number of sitters.

Here are a few random observations:

1. We took the lead with around 11 minutes on the clock and only lost it in the final seconds. Each team missed a few good opportunities, but we missed more.
2. That missed mark by Towers at a key moment was not a sitter, but he should have taken it. He's only played 23 senior games, so is still inexperienced at senior level despite his age. He's come back from his stint in the reserves a much improved player, but we shouldn't expect a finished product.
3. With Tippett out we don't have any experience key forwards other than Buddy. We can't expect to have enough scoring options with a forward line consisting of Heeney, Hewett, Rose and Towers. It was a bad time for Reid to re-injure his calf again, just when we needed another tall forward. I think we have to try something, even if it means bringing in Abe Davis or Xav Richards as another tall forward option.
4. Jake Stringer kicked 2 goals while matched up on Mills. This is a mismatch that just shouldn't happen when other options are available, and they were at the time. Our defenders of good, but the mix isn't right to cover a side with several tall options or for rebounding quickly out of defence. We should seriously consider bringing in Aliir or Davis for tall coverage (I prefer Aliir v. Geelong) and Newman to provide more rebound from defence. I'd like to see Mills moved into the midfield.
5. The compliment of players were had out on the field last night will probably not be good enough to beat Geelong a their home ground with us coming off a tiring game and a six day break. They are a very tall side and we need to try something a bit different.
6. The Sinclair-Nankervis ruck duo doesn't offer enough. Naismith has to come in for one of them. Whatever the risk is, and I'm not sure what Longmire is afraid of, we need to take it.

Why was Brandon Jack re-signed if he is not good enough to be played

For the same reason that Tom Derickx was re-signed.