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  • kilroy
    Suspended by the MRP
    • Jun 2016
    • 133

    The reality is, without tippett we are going to struggle.

    at one stage last night the dogs had a massive amount of the ball. Sinclair and nanners isnt going to cut it.

    We might as well concede the hit out and just set up to shark the tap and win the clearances. Has any coach ever decided to not even play a ruckman...haha because playing two ineffectual ones like we are atm is like playing with 2 players less, useless and its not like these two are actually doing anything up forward.

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    • kilroy
      Suspended by the MRP
      • Jun 2016
      • 133

      Originally posted by Ludwig
      I've been impressed all year by the resilience of the Bulldogs and still haven't worked out how they do it, but they keep on coming and they are relentless. Geelong were lucky that they got them before the bye and they were spent and couldn't kick straight.
      Dogs have fast little players. How many times did you see them burn our players last night and spread well? I saw a few swan players be left flat footed from the dogs pace. They havent got a lot of mid to tall players who slow them down, they remind me of when Carlton used to win flags using midgets who ran into space all the time.

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      • Simo
        Pushing for Selection
        • Jul 2011
        • 77

        No one has questioned mcveighs decision to kick long to a out numbered contest, with one minute to go, two short kicks out of defence would have done. We always have a short on to the side of the square, not sure that decision was correct. That's where we miss sammy Reid, the only swan that is a natural mark.
        That's what cost us in the end.
        Anyhow, beat the cats down there and we will all be smiling again.

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        • Ludwig
          Veterans List
          • Apr 2007
          • 9359

          Originally posted by kilroy
          I am really sick to death of this attitude, umpires have made so many terrible decisions this year and a game like AFL 1 terrible umpiring decision swings the whole game. 1 @@@@ umpires call can swing momentum in a flash. I have never experienced this in any code i have followed.
          Everyone is aware that umpires make mistakes and sometimes those mistakes are game changers. But what's the point of blaming the umpires, unless you're intimating that the umpires are making biased decisions. Players make mistakes. AFL footy is a fast game that's hard to play and hard to umpire as well. I think that's what we can take from the number of contentious umpiring decisions. There are so many difficult calls to make during any given game that it's amazing how few they get wrong.

          I get just as frustrated by the poor decisions, especially when they go against the Swans, but we have to accept that it's just part of the game and hope that it evens out for both sides most of the time. It's hard to know what the solution is, because I'm sure the umpires are doing their best.

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          • RogueSwan
            McVeigh for Brownlow
            • Apr 2003
            • 4602

            Originally posted by Bexl
            You know what. We are a young team with 6 players playing there first game this year and a pile of other young and inexperienced players who are having a real go. We still have a chance to win the flag this year. So we lost today in a close one, we lost a few in 2012 too.
            Go swannies.
            Nicely put, I never thought we'd be a chance this year, I had it down as an experience building year.
            But I also realise you need to take every chance you can to get to a GF, and it is an exciting possibility for this year.

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            • 111431
              Regular in the Side
              • Sep 2010
              • 697

              Fully agree - hanners was just plain dumb and still kept whinging after goal kicked - undisciplined act from a leader - kirky should have run out and given him the nick Davis talk

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              • 56-14
                Warming the Bench
                • Dec 2015
                • 260

                Originally posted by Ludwig
                Everyone is aware that umpires make mistakes and sometimes those mistakes are game changers. But what's the point of blaming the umpires, unless you're intimating that the umpires are making biased decisions. Players make mistakes. AFL footy is a fast game that's hard to play and hard to umpire as well. I think that's what we can take from the number of contentious umpiring decisions. There are so many difficult calls to make during any given game that it's amazing how few they get wrong.

                I get just as frustrated by the poor decisions, especially when they go against the Swans, but we have to accept that it's just part of the game and hope that it evens out for both sides most of the time. It's hard to know what the solution is, because I'm sure the umpires are doing their best.
                Fully agree - great post - my thoughts exactly.

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                • stellation
                  scott names the planets
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 9718

                  Originally posted by kilroy
                  What was the free for to begin with again? I recall it was really soft. Hanners did think it was our free.
                  I believe it was for a hold of the arm in the marking contest before the ball was spoiled and Dan ended up with it- I think it was a reasonable call to make.
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                  I agree with ugg, it was the correct decision- Dan appears to be looking at the umpire when he signals it as a Bulldogs free, and he seems to be kicking it to the umpire. I assume it was just a brain snap, it sucks but it was a fair decision.

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                  If Isaac Heeney wasn't Isaac Heeney I wonder if he'd be having a run around in the NEAFL for a couple of weeks.
                  I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                  We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                  • Doctor
                    Bay 29
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 2757

                    The only two that really stood out to me were the free to Bontempelli in the 2nd which was a high contact call that barely reached his chest and the non-call for Stringer's push in the back in the goal square. I think the issue is that calls like that, which are so obvious, lead to goals. There are so many contests around the ground all through a game where 50/50 decisions could go one way or the other. Having said that, Gaz clearly chopped the arms of one of their guys in the forward 50 in the 4th and a free wasn't paid.
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                    • Scottee
                      Senior Player
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 1585

                      Originally posted by Doctor
                      The only two that really stood out to me were the free to Bontempelli in the 2nd which was a high contact call that barely reached his chest and the non-call for Stringer's push in the back in the goal square. I think the issue is that calls like that, which are so obvious, lead to goals. There are so many contests around the ground all through a game where 50/50 decisions could go one way or the other. Having said that, Gaz clearly chopped the arms of one of their guys in the forward 50 in the 4th and a free wasn't paid.
                      I am intrigued about the OOB decision when Sinclair appeared to take a single grab inside the line before crossing it. Can't tell from the replay. Did anyone at the ground see it because I thought that actually changed the trend at the time?

                      Not that I want to blame umpires because thought there was some real mental weakness out there on our behalf.
                      We have them where we want them, everything is going according to plan!

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                      • Daisi
                        Senior Player
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 1490

                        Last night was unbelievable. I was sitting in the Trumper stand. I knew there was 1 minute 40 seconds to go because of a text message. The players must have known too...

                        Why oh why didn't they just shut it down?

                        Soooo frustrating...people around me were throwing things on the ground in disgust...walking away in a huff, screaming obscenities..( I contributed a few of those too) truly a heartbreaking loss...

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                        • WauchopeAnalyst
                          Regular in the Side
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 834

                          Originally posted by kilroy
                          I am really sick to death of this attitude, umpires have made so many terrible decisions this year and a game like AFL 1 terrible umpiring decision swings the whole game. 1 @@@@ umpires call can swing momentum in a flash. I have never experienced this in any code i have followed.

                          This notion of not blaming umpires by AFL fans is the EXACT reason why umpiring in this code sucks Barry.

                          I'll stop blaming umpires the minute you agree ANZ is a @@@@hole.

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                          Rubbish post mate, our leaderships fine. We were just beaten by a better and more hngry to the contest side.

                          And yes umpires play a massive factor, deal with it buddy. You follow a code where umpires @@@@ up in every single game, every single one and you arrogantly dismiss anyone who dares calls this out, who the hell gave you this entitlement!?
                          Thanks Kilroy. Very easy to see...

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                          • veramex
                            Pushing for Selection
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 63

                            Mcglynn and Heeney both struggling to score at the moment. Heeney probably the better with defensive pressure so maybe he keeps his position. Papley to come in for mcglynn or rose.

                            towers frustrated me. In the forward 50, he just doesn't seem to have any confidence, almost second guessing himself every time he got within scoring distance, and with the pressure in the game, that indecisiveness cost us.

                            If we had made a few of those behinds in the first quarter, it would have likely been a different result. We are still 10-4 with good percentage. Just need to take care of either Hawks or cats to have a top 4 chance. Keep the faith.

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                            • troyjones2525
                              Swans Fanatic!
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 2908

                              Originally posted by cheersquadsteve
                              towers must never play again
                              several times he had opertunities to take the game on and he decided to pass the ball, not kick the goal
                              im sick of him showing glimpses of potential, that he could be a very good player, he flashes into games and then totally underwhelms when the heat is on
                              While Towers made mistakes he definitely wasn't our worst. Perhaps instead of dropping him every time he has a quietish game they should show some faith and give him another go? How else can he gain the confidence and belief in himself if he's always one mistake away from 2's? Most of the errors he made was trying to be too unselfish and pass off to the more 'senior' players. If the coaches do the right thing by him and give him a real chance then he'll think he belongs more and take the responsibility himself more often.

                              There is talent there no doubt. He just needs to be shown the faith from the coaches to unleash it consistently.

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                              Last edited by troyjones2525; 3 July 2016, 03:24 PM.

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                              • troyjones2525
                                Swans Fanatic!
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 2908

                                Originally posted by ugg
                                I've watched it a few times again (4:10 on the highlights package) and I still can't work out exactly what Hanners was thinking. The umpire clearly signalled which way the free kick was going. Hanners had clear sight of the umpire. He actually kicked the ball to the umpire as there was no Bulldog or Swan in the vicinity. Then he begins pointing towards our goals and pleading his case. Did he think it was our free?

                                It wasn't a harsh fifty, it was correctly adjudicated.
                                Correct. It was 100% the right decision from the umpire to award a 50 and plain stupidity or complete lack of skills by Hannebery (you decide) to dispose of the ball the way he did!

                                Do you think we'd all be screaming bloody murder if it was our free and they returned the ball like that and no 50 was paid?

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                                Last edited by troyjones2525; 3 July 2016, 03:27 PM.

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