Support of Goodesy

[ScottH]

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Surely as a pies supporter he'd have a pies tatt somewhere on that canvas!!

[Faunac8]

"Terror tool??" Let's just cool our jets a little! It may be a sweeping statement, rather like some people saying Hawk and WC fans can't be racist because they don't boo their indigenous players, and while it's true we don't "know her very well", the banana throwers actions give us plenty of insight into her character, personality and dare I say it....her views. It's time to call it as it looks/is and stop defending the indefensible, thereby allowing this 'casual' and sometimes 'deep seated' racism to continue to fester, blighting our game and society in general. Giving the perpetrators of these actions the benefit of the doubt implies that you may be comfortable with this type of behaviour. I would hope not. Think about it....a black man....a banana (and thrown at him with malice)....seriously, no racist connotations there? Get real.....

Best to assess any quote from a post within the full context.
Please enlighten me as to where I defend her actions or say there is no racist connotation? It appears that you have missed my point completely so let me explain the thinking behind my comment.
By vilifiying others we risk lowering ourself to the level of those we seek to distance ourselves from. Is passing judgement on the ability of others to change without knowing them possible? The original post I was responding to was strident, judgemental and almost vicious in its sentiment.
Two wrongs do not make a right

[stevoswan]

Best to assess any quote from a post within the full context.
Please enlighten me as to where I defend her actions or say there is no racist connotation? It appears that you have missed my point completely so let me explain the thinking behind my comment.
By vilifiying others we risk lowering ourself to the level of those we seek to distance ourselves from. Is passing judgement on the ability of others to change without knowing them possible? The original post I was responding to was strident, judgemental and almost vicious in its sentiment.
Two wrongs do not make a right

It's not 'vilifying' to call someone out on something as unsavoury as racism. If the community speaks out on mass, while it might look like hysteria and attack through weight of numbers, it is actually just the tribe speaking and voicing disapproval of something that rightfully, should be discouraged (it's similar to voting in an election....you know, democracy). Rather than lowering ourselves, we seek to raise them up, because frankly, they need to be. Otherwise, how will anything ever change? To use the term 'vilify' sounds a little hysterical to me......

[Faunac8]

It's not 'vilifying' to call someone out on something as unsavoury as racism. If the community speaks out on mass, while it might look like hysteria and attack through weight of numbers, it is actually just the tribe speaking and voicing disapproval of something that rightfully, should be discouraged (it's similar to voting in an election....you know, democracy). Rather than lowering ourselves, we seek to raise them up, because frankly, they need to be. Otherwise, how will anything ever change? To use the term 'vilify' sounds a little hysterical to me......

Check the meaning of the word vilify and then maybe just maybe the sounds of hysteria you are hearing might diminish. Oh and thanks for enlightening me on what a democracy is. One of the great things democracy offers is being able to voice an opinion .
I would suggest that rather than removing a word from its original context and selectively quoting it you assess the full post. It seems that you think I am trying to justify racism when nothing could be further from the truth. I find discrimination of any description abhorrent and have "called it out" on more than one occasion in my life. The difference is I called it out as it occurred and not on an anonymous forum well after the event , I also didn't presume to know why the perpetrator chose to behave the way they did or if they would evolve their viewpoint or beliefs in the future . I certainly wouldn't declare that they were incapable of doing so without any facts to draw on.
It was also interesting how you not only hear hysteria you wonder if it looks like hysteria when the community speaks en masse ? Such an emotive word shouldn't really be applied to the circumstances to which you ascribe it.
Your comments about the tribe speaking don't carry much weight with me as it was only just over 12 months ago that some tribes chose to "speak" in an offensive and boorish manner. Unfortunately "tribes" have often made poor decisions throughout history.

[CureTheSane]

Quickly becoming one of those subjects that is a no go zone, even when people generally feel the same way.

There are a lot of different elements to a discussion that are easily misinterpreted.
A friend of mine said not long ago that there could be an argument made that the AFL Indigenous Day was counter productive.
Same goes for society in general maintaining a distinction between Australians.
I objected to his argument on the in that I think society is on a learning curve and without these days, it will take a lot longer.
But after thought, you'd have to say that an end goal would be that there is no special day differentiating Australians, and that we are all simply Australians.
But if you tried to make that argument right now, there is a fair chance that in most circumstances you'd be labeled somehow.

Point is that it can be very hard to have a discussion. Jumping down the throats of every person making any comment about race only serves to keep thoughts hidden and unchanged.

[AnnieH]

Crucifixion is one of the terror tools that Isis use to control people so probably an ideal situation to get the message across . As for your sweeping statement when you say "people like her" could you be a little more specific and enlighten us as to her personality and moral compass? You obviously know her very well.

"Terror tool??" Let's just cool our jets a little! It may be a sweeping statement, rather like some people saying Hawk and WC fans can't be racist because they don't boo their indigenous players, and while it's true we don't "know her very well", the banana throwers actions give us plenty of insight into her character, personality and dare I say it....her views. It's time to call it as it looks/is and stop defending the indefensible, thereby allowing this 'casual' and sometimes 'deep seated' racism to continue to fester, blighting our game and society in general. Giving the perpetrators of these actions the benefit of the doubt implies that you may be comfortable with this type of behaviour. I would hope not. Think about it....a black man....a banana (and thrown at him with malice)....seriously, no racist connotations there? Get real.....

Thanks Stevo.
Seriously couldn't have said it better myself.

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Best to assess any quote from a post within the full context.
Please enlighten me as to where I defend her actions or say there is no racist connotation? It appears that you have missed my point completely so let me explain the thinking behind my comment.
By vilifiying others we risk lowering ourself to the level of those we seek to distance ourselves from. Is passing judgement on the ability of others to change without knowing them possible? The original post I was responding to was strident, judgemental and almost vicious in its sentiment.
Two wrongs do not make a right

Judge not lest thou be judged, blah, blah, blah, something, something, something?

It's my opinion of her, ok? I really don't care that you care to judge me for my opinion. I won't lose sleep over you. Ok?
The little bogan obviously hasn't been brought up in an environment where diversity is celebrated.

[Faunac8]

"Seriously couldn't have said it better myself."

I think you possibly could have

"Judge not lest thou be judged, blah, blah, blah, something, something, something?

It's my opinion of her, ok? I really don't care that you care to judge me for my opinion. I won't lose sleep over you. Ok? "

No one judged you in any way and it wasn't my intention to have you lose sleep I was more hoping that you would possibly take some time to think about how the sentiments in your post were so close to mirroring the thoughts of those that you seek to judge.

"The little bogan obviously hasn't been brought up in an environment where diversity is celebrated"

Once again you present your opinion as a fact.
You brand her " a little bogan" yet you fail to see the irony of your action.
In all honesty Annie your posts and the personalised and offensive attack of any who doesn't wholeheartedly agree with you are no better than the astions of those you choose to crucify.
Lastly if the person on the receiving end i.e Eddie Betts can be gracious forgiving and act in a mature manner then maybe, just maybe someone who has had no actual interaction with any party involved could stop name calling and being judgemental.
Shades of your I am a better supporter than you attitude only this time it's I am a better human than anyone who doesn't agree with me and my opinion

[AnnieH]

"Seriously couldn't have said it better myself."

I think you possibly could have

"Judge not lest thou be judged, blah, blah, blah, something, something, something?

It's my opinion of her, ok? I really don't care that you care to judge me for my opinion. I won't lose sleep over you. Ok? "

No one judged you in any way and it wasn't my intention to have you lose sleep I was more hoping that you would possibly take some time to think about how the sentiments in your post were so close to mirroring the thoughts of those that you seek to judge.

"The little bogan obviously hasn't been brought up in an environment where diversity is celebrated"

Once again you present your opinion as a fact.
You brand her " a little bogan" yet you fail to see the irony of your action.
In all honesty Annie your posts and the personalised and offensive attack of any who doesn't wholeheartedly agree with you are no better than the astions of those you choose to crucify.
Lastly if the person on the receiving end i.e Eddie Betts can be gracious forgiving and act in a mature manner then maybe, just maybe someone who has had no actual interaction with any party involved could stop name calling and being judgemental.
Shades of your I am a better supporter than you attitude only this time it's I am a better human than anyone who doesn't agree with me and my opinion

... and?

[Faunac8]

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[Faunac8]

Quickly getting back on the original post subject . I have always appreciated Eddie Betts as a class act on the field this just confirms that he is a class act off the field as well .

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... and?

And AnnieH - you haven't come out of this at all well

[barry]

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That would be a great archibald entry if it isn't already.

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And AnnieH - you haven't come out of this at all well

Annie is fine. others in this thread not so.

[Ludwig]

Racist incidents are the progeny of a racist culture.

They are the ugly warts that surface on the skin of a disease-riddled body. What causes such a disease? What are the infectious agents? Yes, the warts must be removed, but the disease will persist until the body is cleansed from within.

Look up, not down, if you want to find the agents that infect the minds of so many Australians. These people that vilify others show far more contempt for themselves than they do for their victims. They disgrace, degrade and humiliate themselves in full public view.

What a terrible disease this is. So powerful, it can bring a nation to its knees in shame.

[AnnieH]

And AnnieH - you haven't come out of this at all well

Oh the irony.
I was being judged for judging someone else.

[bloodspirit]

I feel like this topic has been done to death but just found a good article about the backlash NFL Colin Kaepernick is facing after standing up (or not) about racial issues in the US: As Kaepernick's racial injustice protest hits the road, a country begins to talk | Dave Schilling | Sport | The Guardian. Reminds me so much of the Goodsey situation - especially the way it is so hard to pinpoint a real reason for the antipathy the people feel towards the (black) protestor.