Captaincy 2017 and beyond

[longmile]

JPK
Then pass it down to Mills in 4-5 years

[Beerman]

I'm surprised so many people are suggesting JPK. He doesn't strike me as captaincy material. Yes, he's our best player but captaincy is about people management skills. You have to be able to understand, motivate, coach, coordinate and inspire your teammates. Joey just doesn't seem to be that kind of guy to me.

I'd go for Parker. Not sure about Hannebery. Buddy would be a brilliant captain, but I think he would hate it and would knock it back if offered.

Heeney looks likely in a few years to me.

Often the right choice is someone who is not that noticeable from the outside.

[goods78]

Jack and McVeigh have been very good players but have failed to consistently produce big games in GF's.

I think Josh Kennedy is the natural captains selection as he is without peer in terms of GF performances. Parker for a traditional VC with the knowledge that he needs to take the next step on the big stage to gain the captaincy in a couple of years.

If Parker does not step up, I would nominate Heeney or Mill's to leapfrog him depending on who is the most dominant force in the next 2-3 years.

Spread the media committments around the leadership group to give the captain / VC a break.

On the leadship group, we have a few great Generals in the backline (Smith, Reg and Rampe). I am not sure Franklin is a great at on the fly structure, so I would nomiate that Sam Reid has to step up in this area.

[bloodspirit]

Did Macca speak at the B&F? If not, should we read anything into it? e.g. he's going to step back from the captaincy now

[tlock]

Buddy is a natural leader and an inevitable future Swans captain.

[goods78]

Buddy is a natural leader and an inevitable future Swans captain.

I think Buddy is the guy that every player is in awe of with his freakish ability. The young players would hang off his every word. But structures, on field direction of others and media I don't think are his strong points. Kennedy for me is a much more rounded Captain.


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[stevoswan]

Yeah, I'm thinking JPK, then Parker or Mills down the track. Go with a captain/vice captain set up again, I think the co-captains thing is past it use by date, having a leadership group covers that, so Kennedy (c) and Parker (vc) sounds good to me. KJ might be pissed though.....Macca should understand.

[goods78]

...KJ might be pissed though.....Macca should understand.

I think Keiran would initially hate the idea but I think it would be best for his footy. I'm not sure what his plans are post footy, but it would be a great story if he stayed in NSW player development or coaching.


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[CureTheSane]

I think Buddy is the guy that every player is in awe of with his freakish ability. The young players would hang off his every word. But structures, on field direction of others and media I don't think are his strong points. Kennedy for me is a much more rounded Captain.

I read or heard somewhere recently that Buddy is considered the 'footballers footballer', analysing tactics and set up etc. Spends a lot of time dissecting the game.
Surprised me, and the person reporting it was also surprised.
Doesn't mean he is great at conveying messages to other players and driving home inspirational talks etc
Same with Kennedy. I see him as someone who goes about his game, and seems happier just to quietly get done what needs to be done.
But what the hell do I know, I don't know either of them, so it's just all guessing.

As I said earlier, the club are the only ones who can and should identify players to promote.
My only stance is that it is dangerous to keep a player on as captain if there is a risk that his form may hold him out of the team (McVeigh)

[Primmy]

I'm surprised that Macca is not considered as having a good year/been a good captain. He is perfectly placed. He speaks well (thats off field). He presents well (on and off field). He is a terrific organiser (that's on field). He may not be the top player but he knows how to sort things out, and quickly.

Kizz is good. I like him as a captain. He has proven to all that he can perform under outside duress of enormous size, and that it is possible to do so.

Gone are the days of Kell, much as I loved him. He considered being a captain was all about the coin toss. He said so. And he would lead by example on the ground. But could you imagine him at pressers? Or hauling someone aside and having a quiet word?

Not sure if Hanners would be good at this. Can't imagine Buddy would want the job, given the overwhelming publicity it would engender. An outside thought was Ramps, which surprised me initially, but after consideration I do believe he would be good. He has a word to any player, theirs or ours, if they are injured. He has an ability to encompass all. Yes, its a good thought.

Parker? Yes. I believe he would be good, but maybe a little manic to start with like Stuey was.
But he is a smart man.

Joey, somehow no. Couldn't argue the toss one way or the other, it just doesn't feel to be a good idea.

Mills, yes. But not yet. That would be too much for the much older players to take, and hells bells, give the kid a chance to cement himself in.

[chammond]

Discussion of McVeigh standing down as captain is way too premature. His on field performance was marginally down this season, but that is mostly attributable to the change in his role. His performance as captain continues to be outstandingly professional both on and off the field. My reading (admittingly, between the lines) of what has been said over recent years is that McVeigh is captain for as long as he wants, and then Parker will take over.
Jack may opt to stand down, given the stress from his family life, but his on field form has varied little during his captaincy. If he chooses to retain the captaincy, he's probably got it until it starts to seriously interfere with his form.

[Sandrevan]

I may be a little harsh but I think both current co-captain should stand down.
McVeigh, despite his injuries this year, is not the player he used to be. I'm surprised he was retained as captain in 2016. He needs to be selected on merit next year, not because he's the captain. There's lots of talk about communication, off-field stuff, etc, but the real test of leadership is on the field. I didn't see much leadership from McVeigh in the GF. I think his legacy is already tarnished - staying captain in 2017 will only erode it further.
Kizza - I think he has been great but now it's time to step aside while his legacy is intact. Like all players, his performances will start to decline over the next couple of years. I think he should relinquish the captaincy while he is at (or near) the top of his game.

So, who are the next captain(s). JPK is the obvious choice for me. He stood up when it mattered most and is highly respected throughout the club. Hanners to be vice-captain for the same reason. It's interesting to note that neither McVeigh or Kizza were sought out by the media after the GF. The media sought out JPK and Hanners. Was this because they are Victorians and the AFL media are xenophobic towards NSW guys? Or are they the natural leaders on the field?
In the longer term - Luke Parker and Callum Mills stand out already. Nobody has mentioned George Hewett - I think he has captain written all over him.

[mattybloods]

I don't think Jack should step down just because "his performances will start to decline over the next couple of years". Maybe McVeigh should step aside the way Goodes did at the end of his career, given that this is probably his last year and he may have to play a bit of NEAFL if younger players go past him.

[YoungGun Tigers]

The only captain going forward is Heeney , proven leader at National 16/18's state team.
Parker selfish , Mills not a leader.
Make him VC next year with JPK captain , watch him grow then give him the full leadership and he's captain for the next 10 years.
This kid will be bigger than Buddy, inspirational leader like Paul Kelly.
Marketing dream, plays hard , no trouble , a true NSW boy.

[RogueSwan]

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Parker selfish ...

Based on what?
Big call on a footballer that regularly puts his body on the line for his team