AFL changes academy rules and shafts Giants and Swans

[TheGong]

There seems to be a misunderstanding of the next generation academies. Clubs can only select players from these academies as category B rookies. This means that players need to be overlooked in the national and preseason drafts before they can be selected from the academies.

This is different to the Swans academy selections who can be selected in the national draft.

There is next to no chance of a Petrovski-Seton being drafted as a category B rookie.

[Meg]

AFL changes academy rules and shafts Giants and Swans

There seems to be a misunderstanding of the next generation academies. Clubs can only select players from these academies as category B rookies. This means that players need to be overlooked in the national and preseason drafts before they can be selected from the academies.

This is different to the Swans academy selections who can be selected in the national draft.

There is next to no chance of a Petrovski-Seton being drafted as a category B rookie.

No, that's not correct. You are confusing two aspects of the rules re drafting from NGAs.

The original announcement and ongoing intent is that the draft rules will be the same as those of the northern academies, to start from the 2017 draft. Then in July 2016 the AFL announced that clubs could use the category B rookie draft option at the 2016 draft. As the article at the attached link says, that is expected to be a one-off circumstance.

I don't know if any club used that option in the last draft.

"The next generation academies, which were announced earlier this year, have seen every club (outside of the four northern clubs) allocated different regions to develop multicultural and indigenous talent."

"If the talent is deemed good enough to be picked by a club in their respective draft season, they will be up for grabs under the points-based academy and father-son bidding system on draft night."

"Originally the AFL had planned to fully introduce the next generation academy system for next year's draft, with the category B option for this year's prospects considered likely to be a 'one-off' in 2016."


Academy rules tweaked for overlooked talent - AFL.com.au

[Boddo]

Gong it's the 2017 draft that the next gen academies are exactly like the northern academies in regards to drafting, I used SPS as another example of how NGA will change the draft into the future. The overlooking cat B/rookie thing was only for the 2016 draft. I know this because as my son as he gets older will be eligible for Freo's next gen academy so I contacted FFC to confirm most of what I wrote.

[Meg]

This is the original announcement in February 2016 re Next Generation Academies.

"If a club develops a young Australian from an Asian or African background and wants to draft them, then they will receive a discount on a basis similar to the current bidding system. Clubs will be able to apply for draft discounts on other youngsters from non-English speaking backgrounds if they develop the player in a similar manner."

"For indigenous players from under-represented areas such as the Pilbara, incentives will also exist for clubs to develop and nurture talent in those areas."

Victorian clubs handed AFL funding for academies - AFL.com.au

[S.S. Bleeder]

Best example of this is the highly rated Tarryn Thomas from Tasmania. Aboriginal boy who already has a pathway and is allowed in the norf next gen academy due to his aboriginal heritage. Why is he allowed in the academy when their is a pathway already there and why is he eligible being from a large city and the WA clubs can't allow aboriginal juniors from their large city. Tarryn is expected to go top 10 easy. Google him and you'll see exactly what I'm saying.

Isn't it funny how we are banned from having two first round draft picks from our academy, yet the southern states aren't? Part of the reason the academies were started was to reduce the go-home factor because we were at a significant disadvantage to all the other clubs in AFL states. Now every club has an academy yet the NSW and Qld clubs are the only ones with this restriction. We are now back at the point of being disadvantaged again.

[Boddo]

Isn't it funny how we are banned from having two first round draft picks from our academy, yet the southern states aren't? Part of the reason the academies were started was to reduce the go-home factor because we were at a significant disadvantage to all the other clubs in AFL states. Now every club has an academy yet the NSW and Qld clubs are the only ones with this restriction. We are now back at the point of being disadvantaged again.

The stupid thing about the 2 1st round draft pick thing is that it does not include F/S. So again it punishes GWS & GC even more as its not possible atm for them to have a F/S. So hyperthetically norf could finish 1st next year & take Blakey/Thomas in the first round. But GWS/GC would not be aloud if finishing in the top 4 to match 2 first round academy players. Double standards. I'll also add if Shayden Close was a 1st round pick from our academy next year we would not be allowed to take him & Blakey but the issue that sticks in my mind is that Close is aboriginal so realistically he should be classed as a NGA pick just like Tarryn Thomas from norf.

[Meg]

The stupid thing about the 2 1st round draft pick thing is that it does not include F/S. So again it punishes GWS & GC even more as its not possible atm for them to have a F/S. So hyperthetically norf could finish 1st next year & take Blakey/Thomas in the first round. But GWS/GC would not be aloud if finishing in the top 4 to match 2 first round academy players. Double standards. I'll also add if Shayden Close was a 1st round pick from our academy next year we would not be allowed to take him & Blakey but the issue that sticks in my mind is that Close is aboriginal so realistically he should be classed as a NGA pick just like Tarryn Thomas from norf.

I totally agree about the double standards that will apply if the AFL doesn't enforce the new draft limitations according to ladder position on NGAs and F/S.

Boddo's example of Shayden Close illustrates this perfectly. If Close came through a NGA in (say) Victoria no rule limitation would apply. But as he is coming through the Swans academy, his drafting would be subject to the rule limitation (subject to Swans' final ladder position).

[Boddo]

I totally agree about the double standards that will apply if the AFL doesn't enforce the new draft limitations according to ladder position on NGAs and F/S.

Boddo's example of Shayden Close illustrates this perfectly. If Close came through a NGA in (say) Victoria no rule limitation would apply. But as he is coming through the Swans academy, his drafting would be subject to the rule limitation (subject to Swans' final ladder position).

It looks more and more like we are re-living the past. Just like in the old VFL zoning days it is becoming obvious that the whole situation is being manipulated by some club heavyweights. People complain about the old zoning but if anyone can remember the zones were supposed to be rotated but in the end were not due to some club delegates refusing to play by the rules. Which relegated clubs like South, Melbourne n St Kilda to the cellar for decades.

[Nico]

It looks more and more like we are re-living the past. Just like in the old VFL zoning days it is becoming obvious that the whole situation is being manipulated by some club heavyweights. People complain about the old zoning but if anyone can remember the zones were supposed to be rotated but in the end were not due to some club delegates refusing to play by the rules. Which relegated clubs like South, Melbourne n St Kilda to the cellar for decades.

Yep, Carlton always had the lucrative Bendigo region. Add that to their Form 4 manipulation, paying gun interstate players to stand out their signed on term with another club and a fat Elliot cheque book and they stayed up for years through stealth. I for one hope they stay in cellar for years.

[Boddo]

Yep, Carlton always had the lucrative Bendigo region. Add that to their Form 4 manipulation, paying gun interstate players to stand out their signed on term with another club and a fat Elliot cheque book and they stayed up for years through stealth. I for one hope they stay in cellar for years.

You can add Hawthorn to that. Took over an area that St Kilda had n it turned into a goldmine. No coincidence that st kilda fell down the ladder after the sixties n hawthorn rose up it rapidly.

[Industrial Fan]

Yep, Carlton always had the lucrative Bendigo region. Add that to their Form 4 manipulation, paying gun interstate players to stand out their signed on term with another club and a fat Elliot cheque book and they stayed up for years through stealth. I for one hope they stay in cellar for years.

Hey Nico,

Can you educate me on the form 4 manipulation you speak of please?

[Boddo]

Hey Nico,

Can you educate me on the form 4 manipulation you speak of please?

I think Nico is talking about the threat that would be made by various clubs of a player standing out of of footy for a year if they didn't approve of a clearance. As an example Richmond suggested Sam Newman do this so Geelong would agree to clear him to the Tigers. Geelong never flinched n Newman stayed a cat for life. I read somewhere a while back that Carlton encouraged Naley & Motley to wait out Sydney's hold on them after the 80 & 81 draft so that they could then sign both of them which they did. Like I said I read it somewhere n can't remember where so it could be wrong.

[Boddo]

I must add I contacted 2UE in regards to Tarryn Thomas last year and hope they have kept the information so that we atleast have someone in the media to rebuff the BS coming out of Melbourne when next years hysteria in regards to Blakey starts.

[Meg]

Thanks Boddo, I hadn't heard of Tarryn Thomas so followed your suggestion and googled him. He sounds like a VERY good prospect for North.

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[Boddo]

Thanks Boddo, I hadn't heard of Tarryn Thomas so followed your suggestion and googled him. He sounds like a VERY good prospect for North.

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Meg I only know about him cause I have family there n low n behold every single argument about academies applies to Tarryn. But I bet you won't hear much about him next year it'll be the Blakey show come draft time. Like I said I contacted 2UE last year due to the talk back about AFL they have on Fridays so that we atleast get some type of balanced reporting come draft time next year.