Match Day Rnd. 2. Western Bulldogs V Sydney Swans. 7.50 pm Etihad Stadium.

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  • Boddo
    Senior Player
    • Mar 2017
    • 1049

    Originally posted by crackedactor
    Yes that is so wrong!! With betting on sport, so huge now, this has to change! I know what the AFL will say. they only semi professional so they should not face scrutiny! B@@@S@@@!
    We are talking about an organisation that tried to hide then sweep a systematic drug program under the carpet!!! Only when WADA came over the top did it show what a backwater hack organisation it really is. So I wouldn't hold my breath when it comes to any type of professional scrutiny performed by them.

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    • Mel_C
      Veterans List
      • Jan 2003
      • 4470

      Originally posted by Joel Ridge
      The Hawks from that era play unsociable football. Look at Jordan Lewis and the intimidation that he is bringing to the Demons. He is transitioning the Demons from a ski lodge outfit to an unsosiable team.

      Zak Jones is the only player looking to impose an unsociable element to the Swans.
      Except Lewis has been suspended for 3 matches and could cost his team badly.

      Sent from my HTC_PN071 using Tapatalk

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      • crackedactor
        Regular in the Side
        • May 2012
        • 919

        Originally posted by Blue Sun
        To be fair, the Mills decision was correct under the new interpretation. No arguments from me on that one. This change is for the better and will only serve to make AFL more exciting.
        TV commentator said player was within 1.5 meters so he was under pressure and it was a wrong call. Either way, those free kicks are never paid and its unlikely we will see it paid for the rest of the year. That's the annoying part.

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        • bloodspirit
          Clubman
          • Apr 2015
          • 4448

          I'm not sure I heard correctly (in fact I don't hear well and it seems likely I must have misheard) but I thought Hayden Kennedy said on Whistleblowers that physical pressure was when another player was within 4-5 metres. I can't check now but wonder if someone with better hearing and paying closer attention can confirm or correct this?

          In any event, Picken clearly wasn't within 1.5 metres when Mills punched the ball.
          All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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          • Meg
            Go Swannies!
            Site Admin
            • Aug 2011
            • 4828

            Originally posted by crackedactor
            TV commentator said player was within 1.5 meters so he was under pressure and it was a wrong call. Either way, those free kicks are never paid and its unlikely we will see it paid for the rest of the year. That's the annoying part.
            Never paid? Did you see the Firrito free kick last year? He was under a LOT more pressure (he was being rotated in a tackle in the goal square) than was Mills.

            Unlikely for the rest of the year? Probably right because I would think/hope every AFL player has watched the Mills video and won't make the same mistake. But if the same situation does happen again, and with the tightened guidelines about immediate physical pressure, I expect a free kick would be paid.

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            • Meg
              Go Swannies!
              Site Admin
              • Aug 2011
              • 4828

              Match Day Rnd. 2. Western Bulldogs V Sydney Swans. 7.50 pm Etihad Stadium.

              Originally posted by bloodspirit
              I'm not sure I heard correctly (in fact I don't hear well and it seems likely I must have misheard) but I thought Hayden Kennedy said on Whistleblowers that physical pressure was when another player was within 4-5 metres. I can't check now but wonder if someone with better hearing and paying closer attention can confirm or correct this?

              In any event, Picken clearly wasn't within 1.5 metres when Mills punched the ball.
              Hayden Kennedy does refer to 4-5 metres but it was in answer to the question of when does physical pressure come into play - that is, when would an umpire give consideration to the issue of immediate pressure. He is not saying that if an opposing player is within 4-5 metres then a player is automatically allowed to rush a behind.

              And nowhere in the rule or guidelines is 1.5 metres specified.

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              • bloodspirit
                Clubman
                • Apr 2015
                • 4448

                So, I did hear right. Thanks, Meg, for the confirmation and the elaboration on what he was saying. That makes sense.
                All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                • caj23
                  Senior Player
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 2462

                  Mills big error was to punch the ball as hard as he could, had he fumbled it over and not been so obvious about it I don't believe the umpire would've been so whistle happy.

                  Needs to do a bit of one on one with Reg and Rampe about how to disguise a deliberate out of bounds/point

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                  • crackedactor
                    Regular in the Side
                    • May 2012
                    • 919

                    Originally posted by bloodspirit
                    I'm not sure I heard correctly (in fact I don't hear well and it seems likely I must have misheard) but I thought Hayden Kennedy said on Whistleblowers that physical pressure was when another player was within 4-5 metres. I can't check now but wonder if someone with better hearing and paying closer attention can confirm or correct this?

                    In any event, Picken clearly wasn't within 1.5 metres when Mills punched the ball.
                    Cameron Ling said the following:

                    No, I don?t think it is (the right decision),? he said on Channel Seven. ?You could argue he?s not under enough pressure ? you have a bloke closing in behind you, call that a metre and a half away. You?re inside the goal square, late in the last quarter (that?s pressure).?

                    Maybe Cameron Ling needs his eyes checked? I thought he was within a metre and a half where I was sitting behind the goals.

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                    • bloodspirit
                      Clubman
                      • Apr 2015
                      • 4448

                      I only saw on TV and it looked like more than 1.5 metres to me. I would have said Ling was wrong (quite possible) but if you were there and saw it with your own eyes then I'll take your word for it.
                      All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                      • Meg
                        Go Swannies!
                        Site Admin
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 4828

                        Yep, this is what we all said. And well done John Longmire, you have shaken the AFL tree.

                        'Having publicly avoided the issue of the lopsided free kick count after the 2016 grand final, then generally questioned the umpires' professionalism four months later, Longmire's bitter disappointment with the umpiring in Friday night's re-match against the Bulldogs has provoked three conversations with Schwab (AFL umpires' boss) since then.'

                        'After Longmire called for clarification on the umpires' prior opportunity calls, Schwab conceded that Swans defender Aliir Aliir was wrongly penalised for holding Boyd in the third quarter as he attempted to go for the ball.'

                        "The ones we get wrong we can't do much about," said Schwab, who is overseeing a review of umpires' work practices as the AFL works towards a new collective bargaining agreement with the game's officiators. "That [the Boyd decision] wasn't a free. That was an error."

                        AFL admits Western Bulldogs free in front of goal was wrong

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                        • dimelb
                          pr. dim-melb; m not f
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 6889

                          Thanks for that link Meg. I tried the SMH link and they reckon I've used up my quota, so in case anyone else is in the same position, here's The Age link:

                          AFL admits Western Bulldogs free in front of goal was wrong

                          And yes, well done by John, he's handled the situation in a very civilised way.
                          He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                          • Blue Sun
                            Senior Player
                            • May 2010
                            • 1440

                            Originally posted by dimelb
                            Thanks for that link Meg. I tried the SMH link and they reckon I've used up my quota, so in case anyone else is in the same position, here's The Age link:

                            AFL admits Western Bulldogs free in front of goal was wrong

                            And yes, well done by John, he's handled the situation in a very civilised way.
                            John has done well to bring attention to the one-sided, biased umpiring without attracting a fine. Professional and all class.

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                            • Meg
                              Go Swannies!
                              Site Admin
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 4828

                              Match Day Rnd. 2. Western Bulldogs V Sydney Swans. 7.50 pm Etihad Stadium.

                              And then there is this article, including the quote below. More good work by John Longmire.

                              'AFL Umpires head Peter Schwab has identified ?prior opportunity? as an area that has at times been harshly adjudicated in the opening two rounds.'

                              (Comment is also made on the Mills decision, saying it is 'as harsh as we should be. So that?s the main one we will use for a guideline to that ruling.')

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                              This is the heading of the article if you need to do an internet search:

                              Peter Schwab says ?prior opportunity? has at times been harshly adjudicated this season

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                              • swannymum
                                Warming the Bench
                                • Aug 2006
                                • 151

                                Originally posted by Meg
                                And then there is this article, including the quote below. More good work by John Longmire....

                                'AFL Umpires head Peter Schwab has identified ?prior opportunity? as an area that has at times been harshly adjudicated in the opening two
                                And unevenly applied depending on the team, but they won't admit that!
                                Last weekend in Sept 05 - The best weekend of my life!

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