Match Day Rnd. 6. Carlton V Sydney. MCG 14.10 pm.

[Billericay]

If Ross Lyon can change game plans within weeks then Longmire can too. If he can't then he is a dinosaur and we know what happened to them!

Ross Lyon spent all of 2016 unsuccessfully trying to introduce a different game plan. It was not an overnight change.

I think it's going to be hard to teach players to play a completely different way mid-year.

[Merdo5555]

Given where the game is headed it should have been done over the off season. Look at Fremantle's first game and their last 2, there have been significant changes made in weeks. No it's not ideal but going 0-6 isn't fun either.

In all of our 6 matches we are trailing our opposition player by at least 5 metres on their second kick out of defence, this generally results in us getting cut to pieces by skillful sides. How about we play tight coverage instead, inevitable we will lose some of the one-on-ones, a contest would hopefully slow the ball enough to let our currently very bad defence get organised. Plenty of similar small changes we can make.

[mcs]

Given we have played in 3 grandfinals in the last 5 years....Won the minor premiership last year and just got pipped in the GF....These facts tell me our game style etc have been just fine.

I actually agree ,it's probably about time Horse moved on...But not because he's been left behind, he clearly hasn't....

But because he has been coaching at the Swans for 15 seasons now, he and the Swans are overdue for some change.

I agree in part about the game style, but I think there is also a clear structural break occurring in terms of the style of AFL, and what works/doesn't work.

The game is moving away from one in which hard contested footy, in which tackles are rewarded and you can grind out a result against inferior teams, to one where its all about 'pace', quick movement - move the ball on at all costs. Our game style is struggling to fit into the new world, and its being compounded by the poor form of many players at the moment.

[Ludwig]

In all of our 6 matches we are trailing our opposition player by at least 5 metres on their second kick out of defence, this generally results in us getting cut to pieces by skillful sides. How about we play tight coverage instead, inevitable we will lose some of the one-on-ones, a contest would hopefully slow the ball enough to let our currently very bad defence get organised. Plenty of similar small changes we can make.

Trailing opposition players is due to a lack of work rate, which would always be nice to improve. But it certainly is not in the game plan that we not apply pressure to the opposition.

No team plays one on one anymore because it's too easy for the other side to dictate the terms of play by isolating players to their advantage. One missed coverage can leave an open path to goal with no coverage, since all the other players are sticking to their assigned players.

It's just silly talk about dumping Longmire. He's contracted through 2020. John Blakey's not going anywhere either. Without knowing the influence of each of the coaches, who can say which ones are not doing a good job. In any case, they are accused of be doing a good job last year, but not so good for 6 games this year.

I really would like to hear some concrete proposal of how you would change the game plan. What is the game plan now and how you would change it?

It's pretty hard to have any effective game plan if you're not winning the contested footy, not kicking well, not pressuring the other side and dropping marks. When our best players are down in form, not much is going to work until they get back into form again.

I think our game plan is to move the ball quickly through the corridor, but we are not winning enough of the ball and muck it up when we do though poor execution.

[Hotpotato]

Only just watched it.

How many times on the Fox call did Roosey 'plead' with Horse to move Buddy forward 'otherwise Sydney have no chance to win this game.'

Bolton must have given clear instructions to rough up Mills, but he handled it like a 150 game player.

Carlton played very well especially Silvagni , Casboult and Krueger ..

Why does Sinclair drop chest marks at this level?

I'm not despairing, how old is Hayward ? Eighteen . He's terrific , Isaac is a gun .

Carlton could sniff a win here and it looked very cold and damp .

The team will climb out of this OK .

[mcs]

In all of our 6 matches we are trailing our opposition player by at least 5 metres on their second kick out of defence, this generally results in us getting cut to pieces by skillful sides. How about we play tight coverage instead, inevitable we will lose some of the one-on-ones, a contest would hopefully slow the ball enough to let our currently very bad defence get organised. Plenty of similar small changes we can make.

I know it is a tougher way to defend, but it would be nice of us to play much tighter to the man, or in some circumstances even play in front when defending. There has been no shortage of things to frustrate us as fans this year, but the sheer number of goals we are giving away by letting forwards lead us to the ball has really been on my nerve all season. Of course its easy to say these things from the vantage point of the crowd, but we surely could do better than our current approach. Who is the current defence coach?

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Carlton could sniff a win here and it looked very cold and damp .

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Damp yes and perhaps a little slippery, and a little chilly, but perfect conditions for footy really - conditions were absolutely no excuse for what we put out yesterday.

[Billericay]

It's just silly talk about dumping Longmire. He's contracted through 2020. John Blakey's not going anywhere either. Without knowing the influence of each of the coaches, who can say which ones are not doing a good job. In any case, they are accused of be doing a good job last year, but not so good for 6 games this year.

I really would like to hear some concrete proposal of how you would change the game plan. What is the game plan now and how you would change it?

It's pretty hard to have any effective game plan if you're not winning the contested footy, not kicking well, not pressuring the other side and dropping marks. When our best players are down in form, not much is going to work until they get back into form again.

I think our game plan is to move the ball quickly through the corridor, but we are not winning enough of the ball and muck it up when we do though poor execution.

Some common sense
Lets have a win against Brisbane at the SCG on Saturday and put this "Owen" nonsense behind us.

[Flying South]

Trailing opposition players is due to a lack of work rate, which would always be nice to improve. But it certainly is not in the game plan that we not apply pressure to the opposition.

No team plays one on one anymore because it's too easy for the other side to dictate the terms of play by isolating players to their advantage. One missed coverage can leave an open path to goal with no coverage, since all the other players are sticking to their assigned players.

It's just silly talk about dumping Longmire. He's contracted through 2020. John Blakey's not going anywhere either. Without knowing the influence of each of the coaches, who can say which ones are not doing a good job. In any case, they are accused of be doing a good job last year, but not so good for 6 games this year.

I really would like to hear some concrete proposal of how you would change the game plan. What is the game plan now and how you would change it?

It's pretty hard to have any effective game plan if you're not winning the contested footy, not kicking well, not pressuring the other side and dropping marks. When our best players are down in form, not much is going to work until they get back into form again.

I think our game plan is to move the ball quickly through the corridor, but we are not winning enough of the ball and muck it up when we do though poor execution.

+1!!!
Some hard 2way running would help as well. At the game yesterday i was imploring them to run into spaces. To provide options for their teammates. But it was clearly evident that we dont have the stomach for it. It is not an easy thing to do and we just aren't fit enough.
I haven't and never will give up on our great club. I still think we can make finals. I believe in them.

[DA_Swan]

Would not need to run both ways as much if we hit targets and did not drop simple marks or made our tackles instead of just throwing an arm out - You can change a game plan when u do the basics right !! As for getting getting faster that is another story - always look slower when u have to turn around and chase - attitude reflects leadership !!

[ScottH]

1. Forgot my scarf.
2. Forgot my Myki Card, so had to drive to the MCG
3. MCG Car park was closed.
4. listened to MMM on the way in to hear if car park was closed. Talked crap all that time, and no mention of car park.
5. Drove around for 15+ minutes looking for a spot.
6. long walk back to the ground.
7. Arrived just in time to chug a beer, and sit down.
8. except for 7, I wish I had of stayed home.

[ScottH]

Key Turning points.
- Jones free reversal.
- Papley 50m
- Jack getting run down in front of goal.
- Not stopping play as soon as a stretcher was called for. Surely they could see there was a serious issue.

[Sandrevan]

I'm probably not going to say anything that hasn't already been said...I was at the game on Saturday and here's my (re)view. Both sides made lots of skill errors in the first half but we were slightly better with the ball in hand. In the second half Carlton were much cleaner with basic skills but we didn't get any better. It wasn't just Brandon Jack who butchered a goal - incidently where was a team mate in support? And it's not just Callum Sinclair who can't take marks. In the 3rd quarter there was a kick into our F50 and Buddy gave chase. He got to the ball but dropped it; Carlton cleaned it up and got it out of their D50. Buddy got 2 hands to it and was 30 m out almost directly in front.
I noticed our mids such as Parker put a lot of effort into the contests but we couldn't get the ball away from the contest. They seem to want to take clean possession and break tackles and it just isn't working. We need to change this aspect of our game. Just get the ball out of the congestion as quickly as you can - play volleyball if you need to. Other teams do this now. Whenever Carlton got the ball outside the contest they had already spread and had unmarked players on the outside. All they had to do was catch the ball. Our players always seemed to be behind as if they were making the assumption we would win the ball from the contest.
If we continue playing like this we won't win a game this year. Yes, we are hampered by injuries and interrupted pre-seasons but this is only part of the reason. The game has changed - our game plan needs to change with it.

[Meg]

"Just get the ball out of the congestion as quickly as you can - play volleyball if you need to. Other teams do this now."

"The game has changed - our game plan needs to change with it."

I agree after watching many of the other matches this season and the way they are being umpired.

[Aprilbr]

Match Day Rnd. 6. Carlton V Sydney. MCG 14.10 pm.

I think that people are underestimating the unsettling impact of injuries, players coming back too early and being underdone and a general loss of confidence. According to our coach on Melbourne radio yesterday we have debuted 13 new players in a season and a bit which is an extraordinary number. This places us in a good position going forward assuming that we can develop those guys and get some confidence back. Our position is better at present than Hawthorn who do not appear to have the young talent on their list.

There will be changes on our list at year's end just like there always is. I suspect that Hanners and Parker are carrying injuries that are hampering their performances. They are certainly not as mobile as in the past with Parker noticeably unable to jump for marks like he used to (knee perhaps?). Our tackling technique also needs work (pin an arm don't let them get handballs off easily like Carlton did on the weekend and stick the tackles).

Football has evolved and running players who can spread and break the lines are critical now more than ever. We just don't have enough of these at present.


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[ScottH]

"Just get the ball out of the congestion as quickly as you can - play volleyball if you need to. Other teams do this now."

"The game has changed - our game plan needs to change with it."

I agree after watching many of the other matches this season and the way they are being umpired.

Yes, it is very obvious the game is evolving this way. We haven't caught up yet.