Round 11: Sydney Swans Reserves v GIANTS @ Blacktown International Sports Park

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  • ugg
    Can you feel it?
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 15968

    #31
    Yes the Giants were weak but they have put up reasonable performances lately. I think the score line is definitely more a reflection of the tough professional brand of football that Shaw has drilled into this side. They kept up the intensity for all four quarters despite the game well and truly being over second quarter. You could hear and I mean literally hear the messages from the bench and the players coming on to keep up the standards.

    And I'm glad they did his and crushed the Giants as a payback for a similar score line that the Giants had in their favour two years ago when we were the ones playing with a depleted team

    Tippett started slow despite starting in the ruck and sharing ruck duties with Cameron about 55-45. Cameron hurt his shoulder early second quarter which meant more ruck time for Tippett. Pink was trialled as his understudy but couldn't get anywhere near the taps against Simpson.

    So they moved Aliir into ruck-forward and Pink into Aliir's defensive spot. And while Aliir wasn't amazing at the tapwork aspect of rucking he was electric in open play. There's a touch of the Leo Barrys about it, i.e. I'm excited and scared at the same time because I have no idea what he's doing and most of the time I'm sure he has no idea either.

    Tippett Aliir ruck time split closer to 70-30 and this allowed Tippett to get into game with his ruckwork and then later on as a full forward. He was very much the primary focus at this point and even when the Giants started double teaming late on the Swans still kicked it in his direction. Kicked all 3 goals in the third quarter all from set shots.

    Florent tasked with tagging Mzungu and followed him everywhere including synchronising their bench time together. Mzungu finished with 19 (he had 30+ last week) so it was a reasonable job made better by his contribution on the offensive end particularly the last quarter. He is a very classy user of the ball. One of the criticisms on him at the moment is his slight build and while this is true I think he is quite strong for his size. Mzungu is a mature experienced AFL player and Ollie had no significant issues tackling or being tackled by Mzungu.

    Rohan started as midfielder/half forward and struggled to find touches early on. The move to full forward really sparked his game into life. With plenty of space to work in, his strong leads at great pace caused poor Tim Mohr issues and he was unselfish many times handing the ball off instead of having a shot at goal himself. Hurt himself in the third quarter when he ran at full speed trying to smother a desperate Giant clearing kick right on the goalline. Stayed down for a couple of minutes but played the rest of the game out.

    Laidler was excellent today. Theoretically playing in defence but because of the Swans dominance in field position it's better described as a kick behind play around the center of the ground. He collected many intercept possessions due to his excellent reading of the play as he was not afraid to run off his opponent to affect the spoil. His ball use particularly his kicking was spot on today

    Dawson kicked 4 goals should have been 5 but missed the easiest of the lot 25m set shot dead in front. Played mostly midfield and is very strong through the core broke many tackles. Played forward near the end when Shaw started shuffling the pieces on the chessboard

    Edwards started midfield and finished as a halfback flanker after doing a role swap with O'Riordan for the final quarter. His pace, run and carry really opens up opportunities going forward and his end product, at least today, was good. Murray the other player who provides run off half back although his bouncing let him down today. However his kicking is a real weapon, it has penetration and he generally chooses the right option

    Jack had another solid game and he must be praised for better ball use today. Perhaps it was a result of more time resulting from less pressure but he generally lowered his eyes and tried to kick to his teammates' advantage instead of bombing blindly away like he usually does.

    Fisher a real accumulator of the footy. Didn't notice him too much in the midfield but has a real eye for goal and is a composed finisher in the forward fifty.

    Rose was a peripheral figure for much of the game as most of the Swans attacks were centred on Tippett or Rohan. He looked frustrated at times and gave away a 50m penalty for a late push on a giant who had completed the mark

    Foote off a wing, with Fox on the other. Foote first, attack on the ball was strong which reminded me of his strong form last year. Played a part of the game in defence which seems to be an area the coaches are exploring for him. Fox's main strength is his tackling and in and under work so it was a little strange to see him on the wing where he racked up plenty of touches mainly because he had no opponent. He isn't quick and his disposal is average at best so I can't see him continuing on the wing.

    Talia and Maibaum mostly untroubled in defence. Talia the more offensive minded of the two, prepared to run to provide an option when we have the ball.

    Leonardis again playing forward but didn't impress me too much in this role. There's not enough tricks in his bag to make him stand out as a forward, I feel he isn't very good in close and would be better in an outside role. Could be treading water until the end of the year where he is a candidate for delistment

    Pink as mentioned previously moved into defence in the second half and did okay. What really stands out about his game at the moment is his defensive pressure and chasing at speed. In particular there was one passage of play in the middle of the ground where he made third, fourth, fifth efforts and eventually caused the turnover. Longmire seating nearby was quite happy with Pink then.

    Finally the new cult hero Ronke. Started on the pine. Came on about 12min into the game. Both goals came from open play where he picked up ground balls before snapping bending kicks between the big sticks. Played as a small forward. Will have to see more of him before making a more concrete judgment but in the short passages today I gathered that he isn't a great kick but but tackles well and is a hard nut. Faded as the game went on and in the last quarter had his right ankle and right hip or buttock iced.

    At the start of the second half, before the ball was bounced the umpires called for a head count and worked out the Giants had 19 on the field. Their score was reset (they only had 4 behinds anyway) and the Swans got a 50m penalty. Weird that the NEAFL still has this incredibly harsh penalty when the AFL has done away with it.

    Swans 6.1 10.6 18.15 28.17 (185)
    Giants 0.0 0.0 1.0 2.2 (14)

    Goals: Wicks 4 Dawson 4 Fisher 4 Edwards 3 Tippett 3 Ronke 2 Florent 2 Rohan 2 Jack Laidler Carr Foote
    Best: Laidler Florent Dawson Jack Fisher Tippett
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    • bloodspirit
      Clubman
      • Apr 2015
      • 4448

      #32
      Originally posted by ugg
      Aliir rucking now!
      Be still Ludwig's beating heart!
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      • Ludwig
        Veterans List
        • Apr 2007
        • 9359

        #33
        Love your comments on Aliir, Ugg. He's such an exciting player. I get the same feeling with Aliir as when Buddy has the ball. You just don't know what's going to happen. Often good, sometimes bad. And then the spectacular.

        It's a testament to our development team how quickly Murray has gone from a raw project player to a serious AFL prospect. We appear to have a lot of those HBF types on the list now.

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        • bloodspirit
          Clubman
          • Apr 2015
          • 4448

          #34
          Great work, ugg. Really appreciate your effort.
          All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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          • SeanM
            Warming the Bench
            • Jul 2016
            • 304

            #35
            Thanks for the detailed report.

            Interesting to see Shaw experimenting with giving players different positions and roles.

            I think the tagging on Mzungu would be a good learning experience for Florent. Because early season I think he struggled with defensive marking up off stoppages.

            Good to hear that the rookie players are developing well. Hopefully some of them win another rookie contract next year.

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            • 707
              Veterans List
              • Aug 2009
              • 6204

              #36
              Originally posted by bloodspirit
              Great work, ugg. Really appreciate your effort.
              Comprehensive and informative as always Ugg, us interstaters that can't get to games really appreciate your dedication, a great read, thanks

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              • Mountain Man
                Regular in the Side
                • Feb 2008
                • 907

                #37
                Fisher again in the best players, and a goal getter. I was very impressed with him on the only game I have seen live.

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                • ugg
                  Can you feel it?
                  Site Admin
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 15968

                  #38

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                  • Nico
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                    • Jan 2003
                    • 11337

                    #39
                    Originally posted by 707
                    Assume you are there Ugg?
                    Looked up Ronke's resume, Captain of Calder Cannon's, big tank, only downside seemed to be disposal by foot, now two kicks for two goals, might have been worth the wait!
                    Ryan O"Keefe was also captain of Calder Cannons I believe.
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                    • bloodspirit
                      Clubman
                      • Apr 2015
                      • 4448

                      #40
                      I think it's a great result even if the opposition was weak. First, it's very satisfying to the thrash the Giants any which way. However deep our list may be theirs is deeper. It's only that at the moment they're extremely depleted and we were close to full strength. So I agree we can't read too much into the result. Second, it's very pleasing that we were professional and gave a four quarter effort despite the relatively weak opposition. Third, it's great that we got the opportunity to trial a few players in some different positions and see how they went. Fourth, the Giants would be among our main opposition for the flag (once they get their players back). So, if we can hurt them as much as possible by not only denying them points, but damaging their percentage as much as possible, they may miss finals altogether.

                      Nice work Swans!

                      I feel a little sorry for their listed players, especially Mzungu. It's a long way from playing AFL to getting walloped in the twos with nothing much to be done about it.

                      Was Finlayson playing defence? Makes sense that their defenders were among their best performed - they would have had a lot more opportunity than our defenders which makes Laidler's effort all the more impressive. It seems he really adjusted well to the game situation.

                      Also interesting to see that Florent and Mzungu both got among the bests even though they were playing on each other. It looks like Florent won that battle but he had the advantage of a lot of quality assistance from his team mates.

                      Less positively, disappointing to see that Aliir did not get among the bests and press his case for a recall. It seems he isn't coming to grips with whatever they are asking of him. I wonder what it is and why not. Hmmm.
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                      • Mug Punter
                        On the Rookie List
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 3325

                        #41
                        Originally posted by bloodspirit
                        Less positively, disappointing to see that Aliir did not get among the bests and press his case for a recall. It seems he isn't coming to grips with whatever they are asking of him. I wonder what it is and why not. Hmmm.
                        At the moment it's very difficult for anyone to break into the seniors. It's a really healthy situation for Aliir and the others (Florent, Dawson, Maubain, Tippett, COR) to have to demand to be picked.

                        The only player I think will waltz back into the seniors is Rohan and apart from old Swampy who is always the fall guy I can't really see how anyone else could get dropped for those six guys I quoted above. Aliir for Melican? I don't think so. McVeigh is the other provided he can get match fitness and he should come back through the twos

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                        • Bloody Hell
                          Senior Player
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 3085

                          #42
                          Originally posted by ugg
                          Yes the Giants were weak but they have put up reasonable performances lately. I think the score line is definitely more a reflection of the tough professional brand of football that Shaw has drilled into this side. They kept up the intensity for all four quarters despite the game well and truly being over second quarter. You could hear and I mean literally hear the messages from the bench and the players coming on to keep up the standards.
                          I really like what I've seen and heard of Shaw the coach. Even in his last years as a player he put a lot of his time into developing the youth.

                          Do you think he will move past Kirk as the assistant most likely?

                          Kirk's stint in the media put me off him as a head coach. Anyone remember that horrendous intro he gave?
                          The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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                          • Ludwig
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9359

                            #43
                            We won't need Aliir for the Richmond game, but we will definitely need him in the following week against Essendon. Otherwise, we simply cannot cover Daniher, Hooker and Stewart. The Bombers are ripping PA apart with their speed and tall forward line. We can't let that game get away from us. We better get our fast game up and going the next couple of weeks.

                            Tippett will have to stay out of the side for at least the next 2 weeks, but we will need Rohan's speed.

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                            • Odysseus
                              Warming the Bench
                              • Aug 2016
                              • 199

                              #44
                              Originally posted by ugg
                              So they moved Aliir into ruck-forward and Pink into Aliir's defensive spot. And while Aliir wasn't amazing at the tapwork aspect of rucking he was electric in open play. There's a touch of the Leo Barrys about it, i.e. I'm excited and scared at the same time because I have no idea what he's doing and most of the time I'm sure he has no idea either.
                              May I add my thanks to you Ugg for another of your terrific reports - they're invaluable. The summation of Aliir is poetry.

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                              • rojo
                                Opti-pessi-misti
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 1103

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Ludwig
                                We won't need Aliir for the Richmond game, but we will definitely need him in the following week against Essendon. Otherwise, we simply cannot cover Daniher, Hooker and Stewart. The Bombers are ripping PA apart with their speed and tall forward line. We can't let that game get away from us. We better get our fast game up and going the next couple of weeks.

                                Tippett will have to stay out of the side for at least the next 2 weeks, but we will need Rohan's speed.
                                Agree with all your points. Essendon's height and fast transition, along with their fierce tackling and and good skills was quite scary tonight.

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