Round 12: Aspley Hornets v Sydney Swans Reserves @ South Pine

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  • liz
    Veteran
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 16778

    #46
    Originally posted by rb4x
    Looks like Rose, Foote and Laidler had plenty of the ball too though not featuring in the best players while the defenders were starved of opportunities.

    The free kick count shows that we are either

    a. A dirty team
    b. Second to the ball
    c. Not liked by the umpires who are biased against the Swans
    d. Winning so easily that the umpires are taking pity on the opposition and giving frees to even the game up

    Take you pick
    Ugg's observation re the Brisbane game suggests it's not a bias against the Swans but maybe (unconscious) bias against the AFL sides. I don't recall uneven umpiring in the two games against the Lions that I've watched live.

    Other than that, there are possibly a couple of factors that contribute to it. The Swans (and other AFL teams) tend to be more physical. While that sometimes translates into overly aggressive tackling (including head high tackles) I think the umpires do tend to provide a little more protection to the non-AFL players. But more than the Swans having unfair free kicks paid against them, I think it is that transgressions (including high contact) against Swans players tend not to be paid as free kicks.

    I also think the Swans players try to take on tacklers a bit more than many of their opponents, and quite often get pinged for HTB as a result. (And even more often, do break through tackles.) But I also think that Swans players are often pinged for HTB with no prior opportunity, and don't win their share of frees from tackles where the opposition has had prior opportunity and dropped the ball.

    (And in all these comments, you can substitute "Swans players" for "Lions/Giants/Suns" players. )

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    • barry
      Veterans List
      • Jan 2003
      • 8499

      #47
      Originally posted by Markwebbos
      Why not Dawson for Towers?
      Because Rohan needs the confidence of some stellar games in the 2nd's.

      Towers has been very good this year so has some credits and when I watched the game I didnt see him do anything wrong, and obviously not in picture much at all. So I'm thinking he had a role, and Longmire will judge him on that role rather than possies.
      Obviously, if Towers puts in another low stat performance then he can be dropped, but the richmond game seemed so out of the ordinary for him this year he was either doing a job, or was sick/injured.

      We need Rohan getting 20 possessions a game. He is just a list clogger at 16 possies, and a game loser if less than 10.

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      • ugg
        Can you feel it?
        Site Admin
        • Jan 2003
        • 15970

        #48
        The Swans have just 7 players averaging over 20 disposals a game, and none of them are forwards. 20 disposals a game seems a relatively high and rather arbitrary standard set for Rohan to stay in the team.
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        • barry
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          • Jan 2003
          • 8499

          #49
          For the build of player Rohan is, 20 posessions should be quite obtainable. He should be able to rebound off half back, play on the wing, cycle through the midfield, and play forward. Currently he can only do one of those, and not very well.

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          • barracuda
            Regular in the Side
            • Jun 2016
            • 551

            #50
            I think Rohan is struggling a bit physically. He has put himself in harms way a number of times over the last years and I wonder if it is taking its toll. He is very courageous but it is hard to keep that up.

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            • penga
              Senior Player
              • Jan 2003
              • 2601

              #51
              Originally posted by barry
              We need Rohan getting 20 possessions a game. He is just a list clogger at 16 possies, and a game loser if less than 10.
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              • Markwebbos
                Veterans List
                • Jul 2016
                • 7186

                #52
                Barry, Papley only had it 19 times on the weekend. I imagine, using your benchmark, he'll be dropped after a below par performance.

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                • barry
                  Veterans List
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 8499

                  #53
                  Rohan is a first round pick in the prime of his career. He should beer getting more than papley.

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                  • bloodspirit
                    Clubman
                    • Apr 2015
                    • 4448

                    #54
                    This is not relevant to whether he is best 22. (Never mind that Papley is picking up possessions spending time on the ball.)
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                    • barry
                      Veterans List
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 8499

                      #55
                      Better players have been traded out after grand finals that Rohan has put up.

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                      • Billericay
                        Regular in the Side
                        • May 2013
                        • 712

                        #56
                        Originally posted by barry
                        Better players have been traded out after grand finals that Rohan has put up.
                        Name them

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                        • barry
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                          • Jan 2003
                          • 8499

                          #57
                          Ted's brother. Lol.

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                          • 707
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                            • Aug 2009
                            • 6204

                            #58
                            Thanks for the stats. I notice that Dawson had exactly 50% more kicks than any other Swans player. I'm liking the lad more and more. MUST get a senior game this week while he is in hot form.

                            Ugg, who will ruck this week now that Tippett is out and Aliir out too.

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                            • dimelb
                              pr. dim-melb; m not f
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 6889

                              #59
                              Originally posted by 707
                              Thanks for the stats. I notice that Dawson had exactly 50% more kicks than any other Swans player. I'm liking the lad more and more. MUST get a senior game this week while he is in hot form.

                              Ugg, who will ruck this week now that Tippett is out and Aliir out too.
                              Ugg is gonna ruck?
                              He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                              • dejavoodoo44
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                                • Apr 2015
                                • 8652

                                #60
                                Originally posted by 707
                                Thanks for the stats. I notice that Dawson had exactly 50% more kicks than any other Swans player. I'm liking the lad more and more. MUST get a senior game this week while he is in hot form.

                                Ugg, who will ruck this week now that Tippett is out and Aliir out too.
                                Steve Taubert?

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