Match Day Thread Rnd 16 V Gold Coast. SCG 16.35 pm.

[CureTheSane]

I find Matthews to be relevant, insightful and objective most of the time.
He expresses an opinion about our team and suddenly he is lumped in with Dermie and BT.
Reactionary, much...

[snajik]

As a Hawk man, he seems to not like us much at all.....to say we're boring displays a prejudice born from jealousy. He's officially a knob!

His disdain for us goes back a very long way, to be precise the final round of season 1995 when the Swans overran Collingwood at the SCG. This result dumped Collingwood from the eight and the (then) Brisbane Bears took their place for their inaugural finals appearance. Matthews and Collingwood parted ways at the end of that season and i got the sense that he blamed Sydney for the loss of his job and has never really forgiven us.

Later that season Paul Kelly won the Brownlow and Matthews came out whinging about how it shouldn't be umpires who voted on the Brownlow. He was implying that Kelly was not a great player and undeserving of his win.

Yes. True. A knob.

[Matty10]

I find Matthews to be relevant, insightful and objective most of the time.

I wonder if he actually watches our games every week. Like most commentators, I doubt that he does (maybe he just watches our highlights). He is paid to make comment and anything he says is given more traction because of his profile.

McAvaney actually said the same thing last week. This type of assessment seems to stick. It is easy to say and repeat, particularly if you are not partial to the Swans, and it fits the narrative constructed by the media over a decade ago (regardless of the reality at any given time).

I am not sure that Matthews has provided much insight here at all.


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[Blood Fever]

I wonder if he actually watches our games every week. Like most commentators, I doubt that he does (maybe he just watches our highlights). He is paid to make comment and anything he says is given more traction because of his profile.

McAvaney actually said the same thing last week. This type of assessment seems to stick. It is easy to say and repeat, particularly if you are not partial to the Swans, and it fits the narrative constructed by the media over a decade ago (regardless of the reality at any given time).

I am not sure that Matthews has provided much insight here at all.


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Good point M10. Shallow analysis in Melbourne leads to false narrative in media that becomes'reality' in Vic centred commentary

[grarmy]

His disdain for us goes back a very long way, to be precise the final round of season 1995 when the Swans overran Collingwood at the SCG. This result dumped Collingwood from the eight and the (then) Brisbane Bears took their place for their inaugural finals appearance. Matthews and Collingwood parted ways at the end of that season and i got the sense that he blamed Sydney for the loss of his job and has never really forgiven us.

Later that season Paul Kelly won the Brownlow and Matthews came out whinging about how it shouldn't be umpires who voted on the Brownlow. He was implying that Kelly was not a great player and undeserving of his win.

Yes. True. A knob.

He also said, publicly, that the Hawks had an off day and did not want it bad enough after the Swans won the 2008 GF. You do get the impression that he does not care for the Swans. Pity. He was one helluva player.

[dimelb]

He also said, publicly, that the Hawks had an off day and did not want it bad enough after the Swans won the 2012 GF. You do get the impression that he does not care for the Swans. Pity. He was one helluva player.

Corrected for date.

[grarmy]

Corrected for date.

Whoops! Thanks.

[Kez11]

Finally I got to sit in the stands and watch the swans carve through the opposition like a hot knife through butter. Cheers lads! Now let's kick some serious butt next week. There's nothing I like more than taking down the Giants. Rohan, Rampe and Towers get my points this week.

[Ludwig]

Also, is it time for Newman to have a rest? He's been good this year, but definitely declining the past couple of weeks. Some of his disposal effectiveness and decision making seem to have been a bit questionable. That OOB on the full in the first quarter - ouch!

Nico also commented negatively about Newman. I too was surprised by his drop off in kicking last week and the early part of this game. He made a few poor decisions as well. On the positive side, his defensive pressure and tackling have continued to be excellent. He spotted and hit a few good targets in the second half and looked much better. I think we tend to scrutinize new players more while allowing established stars their selfish mistakes, knowing that they will come good soon enough. I think Newman backs his kicking, and rightfully so, but sometimes it just doesn't come off.

The players fear Nico. Once he bashes them, they raise their game to a new level. He put the whip on Hewett and now he's in career best form. And before Cunningham's foot injury, he was hard as nails and playing great footy. So I expect Newman to reach new heights very soon.

[stevoswan]

I find Matthews to be relevant, insightful and objective most of the time.
He expresses an opinion about our team and suddenly he is lumped in with Dermie and BT.
Reactionary, much...

Not really, when what he says about out team is complete utter crap.....it's so far off base it must be born of prejudice and that is totally unprofessional. As you say, "most of the time" he is insightful and objective....but not this time and he has to expect to be slated for it. I suppose that's 'reactive' but it's accurate......it's obvious he doesn't like our club too much, are we to congratulate him for that?

[Industrial Fan]

Towers ate them alive last night. Was a solid effort

[CureTheSane]

Not really, when what he says about out team is complete utter crap.....it's so far off base it must be born of prejudice and that is totally unprofessional. As you say, "most of the time" he is insightful and objective....but not this time and he has to expect to be slated for it. I suppose that's 'reactive' but it's accurate......it's obvious he doesn't like our club too much, are we to congratulate him for that?

Of course I don't agree with everything he says, including what he said about the Swans.
But, BFD, it's just a commentator saying something I disagree with.
I don't see any prejudice against the Swans. Just calling it as he sees it.
Compared to some other sides, to some degree he's right, but were aren't other sides who play that frenetic, no holes barred, fast game, and there's nothing wrong with that, even if he doesn't like it.

[S.S. Bleeder]

I find Matthews to be relevant, insightful and objective most of the time.
He expresses an opinion about our team and suddenly he is lumped in with Dermie and BT.
Reactionary, much...

I agree. He's also been a representative of the northern clubs for a number of years now and one of the few who's taken a stand against some of AFLs bullies.

[sprite]

Of course I don't agree with everything he says, including what he said about the Swans.
But, BFD, it's just a commentator saying something I disagree with.
I don't see any prejudice against the Swans. Just calling it as he sees it.
Compared to some other sides, to some degree he's right, but were aren't other sides who play that frenetic, no holes barred, fast game, and there's nothing wrong with that, even if he doesn't like it.

Come on CTS, stop being sensible, it's all part of the Victorian/AFL conspiracy against us.

[stevoswan]

I agree. He's also been a representative of the northern clubs for a number of years now and one of the few who's taken a stand against some of AFLs bullies.

Err, the far north clubs maybe......