Round 20: Sydney Swans Reserves v Redland Bombers @ SCG

[stevoswan]

I see Alex Johnson got 21 disposals.....was he impressive and I assume he is playing the full 4 quarters now?

[Ludwig]

I think Fisher is the best of the rookie crop this year and has a very good chance to make it. I like what Ronke's done as well. They both show AFL level qualities. In fact, all the rookies are in with a chance.

I've been disappointed with all the academy kids. I had high hopes for Jake Brown, but he hasn't shown the same form since coming back from injury. We might not want to be delisting too many players this year as the pickings after round 2 of this year's draft don't look that great. I'd rather go with the group we currently have, with just a few exceptions.

[bloodspirit]

If I was shaw I would see this situation as a real weakness that could see Brisbane take the flag. You are usually only as strong as your bottom six, and they will be toppies. If Brandon jack had a brain, and I don't think he does, he would address this issue pronto.

Great comment, barracuda. Maybe the problem is that the Swans don't care about winning the NEAFL and completely prioritise the AFL? Certainly there are many ways they do this e.g. playing players out of position to round them out and improve their chances of success at AFL level. I would like to see us treat the toppies with more respect - like we would with a junior but listed player, who we need to develop. 2nd class citizen is not a concept that sits well with the concept of team.

I suspect it won't happen but I would be content if we keep all our rookies. None of them have proven to be busts yet. I would be content to cut just Leonardis, BJ, Talia and Macca which will open up 4 spots on the list, which is ample. Another possibility is that Marsh is traded out seeking more opportunity (even though his contract isn't up). I wonder if Fox is vulnerable if we do cut a rookie? With his injury he's a bit out of sight, out of mind and he's older. He was good depth but we may feel we are better off with new draftees and/or players like Ronke, Murray etc after they have another year under their belt. Same could go for Edwards. Also O'Riordan has stagnated a bit this year.

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Great comment, barracuda. Maybe the problem is that the Swans don't care about winning the NEAFL and completely prioritise the AFL?

I wouldn't go that far having seen the reactions of Shaw and in the past Crouch on winning and losing games. They do care about winning. However it comes secondary to the primary aim of benefiting the senior team. I know that might throw some noses out of joint with NEAFL supporters and advocates but I wouldn't expect it to be any other way.

[bloodspirit]

That's a better way of putting it. Not suggesting that either the players or coaches don't care about NEAFL results - they clearly do. Evident after last year's granny (and when we lost against Aspley).

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That's a better way of putting it, ugg. Not suggesting that either the players or coaches don't care about NEAFL results - they clearly do. Evident after last year's granny (and when we lost against Aspley).

[barracuda]

I coached primary school footy and noticed that the kids that could really play tended to share it amongst themselves because they had confidence that the player they were passing to would mark it or retain possession whilst ignoring lesser talented kids in who they had less faith. Sounds like the same thing is happening in the twos except it just a handful of toppies who are being shut out.

Ugg, Barra or other ressie watchers, I notice Fisher is often in the bests, what type of player is he, position and style. A likely keeper? It seems most of this crop of rookies is showing a bit.

I agree. As a junior coach I have helped a number of juniors transition to open age group footy. The single biggest factor in a successful transition is the behaviour of the senior players. Where they support, encourage and direct juniors it is amazing how well the juniors play.

To be honest I don't expect pro players on hundreds of thousands to care about the kids that top up.

In most years there are way more injuries so there is room and need for the top ups. This year has been unusual, and it has created a difficult environment for the juniors to either get a game or too much game opportunities.

[Bloody Hell]

I agree. As a junior coach I have helped a number of juniors transition to open age group footy. The single biggest factor in a successful transition is the behaviour of the senior players. Where they support, encourage and direct juniors it is amazing how well the juniors play.

To be honest I don't expect pro players on hundreds of thousands to care about the kids that top up.

In most years there are way more injuries so there is room and need for the top ups. This year has been unusual, and it has created a difficult environment for the juniors to either get a game or too much game opportunities.

The same happens to some extent when they step up to Seniors. You have to earn the trust of your teammates.

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Was Dawson tagged?

Named in the best, but down on his recent prolific performances.

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[MattW]

Johnno's best game stats-wise since his return. Nine marks (!) suggests he's running well. Impressions, anyone who watched?

Great to see Aliir best on. Ludwig's one ruck plus Aliir looking realistic (in the future). Well timed performance, given Newman's injury. Good to see Fisher returning to form after an off game and Ollie have a good one, too.

[stevoswan]

I notice with Alex's stats that he didn't lay a tackle. While I can understand his reluctance to do the real vigorous stuff, has he tackled at all since his return? He will have to one day......

[wolftone57]

Is not that easy to keep improving your percentage when it's already 250 but great to see we're finding a way.

Good stats for Robbo, Fisher, Aliir. Leonardis seems to have checked out already. Even if he is facing delisting, wouldn't it be better to go out with a NEAFL premiership to your name? Is he in danger of missing the cut for finals? I know we can only play so many listed players.

I look forward to hearing more reports and/or watching the stream.

Yep I thought Sexy Tyrone had already left for the airport too. At one stage he had several players loose but instead of hitting up a lead he just went for goal and missed. He didn't even look. At another stage he could have provided support in the form of a shepherd but chose not to. He made a lot of half efforts.

Everybody else is trying hard to stay on the list but I don't think Tyrone is. I think he knows he's gone.

[wolftone57]

I coached primary school footy and noticed that the kids that could really play tended to share it amongst themselves because they had confidence that the player they were passing to would mark it or retain possession whilst ignoring lesser talented kids in who they had less faith. Sounds like the same thing is happening in the twos except it just a handful of toppies who are being shut out.

Ugg, Barra or other ressie watchers, I notice Fisher is often in the bests, what type of player is he, position and style. A likely keeper? It seems most of this crop of rookies is showing a bit.

Why not go to NEAFL TV and have a look at the streams. Fish played in nearly every one if not all. But to answer you he is a good, hard, inside mid who can spread. Not slow by any stretch but not super quick. He would be more like Luke Parker, abate a little quicker, than Harry. He can also kick a very good goal and is pretty good at crumbing the pack. He tackles, tackles, tackles, so many second efforts.

[wolftone57]

I think Fisher is the best of the rookie crop this year and has a very good chance to make it. I like what Ronke's done as well. They both show AFL level qualities. In fact, all the rookies are in with a chance.

I've been disappointed with all the academy kids. I had high hopes for Jake Brown, but he hasn't shown the same form since coming back from injury. We might not want to be delisting too many players this year as the pickings after round 2 of this year's draft don't look that great. I'd rather go with the group we currently have, with just a few exceptions.

I think Bell & Wicks are pretty good. Gowers has shown something. Hardiman I don't know too much about but presume he is an underager who will be available in next year's draft. I see he scored 4 goals in the Swans Academy match v Tassie. But the main draft is going to a slug for the recruiters I think. Best to just upgrade Rookies and Rookie draft heaps.

[wolftone57]

It is no secret that my main area of interest is in the toppies. For the second week none of the toppies did much. It intrigues me why that is when this time last year guys like jake brown had plenty of involvement.

I got to see the game and it dawned on me that whilst the listed neafl players are a very tight group, as a consequence of lack of injuries, they are basically playing as a team of 17 listed players. They are so strong that they have no need for the toppies. In fact for a large part of the game the toppies were off. When they were on the listed players simply played around them, and used them as an absolute last resort.

Whilst the 17 or so listed players are basically the same every week, I think they have given up on the new toppy faces that rotate through every week.

The poor toppies worked their butts off but were ignored 9 times out of 10. I'd love to see the gps. I reckon wicks probably topped the distance travelled.

I heard a comment that Brisbane won last week because their toppies were better. I wonder if it was simply because Brisbane plays as a complete team.

If I was shaw I would see this situation as a real weakness that could see Brisbane take the flag. You are usually only as strong as your bottom six, and they will be toppies. If Brandon jack had a brain, and I don't think he does, he would address this issue pronto.

I can't say I noticed Toppies being ignored. I know it didn't happen in the GWS game as Bell was one of the main avenues out of defence. He played a pretty good game too. Wicks (1 goal) is certainly not ignored when he plays as the boys know how dangerous he can be and underage first gamer Jack Hardman certainly got a few opportunities and kicked 2. Osborne and Brown both tend to be played back so I am not sure if they were ignored or not. there were only 5 toppies last week so you could be right I haven't thought of it that way. Harrison Carr did kick 2.3 from 13 (which is about average for a forward) though so I presume he wasn't ignored.

[Ludwig]

I think Bell & Wicks are pretty good. Gowers has shown something. Hardiman I don't know too much about but presume he is an underager who will be available in next year's draft. I see he scored 4 goals in the Swans Academy match v Tassie. But the main draft is going to a slug for the recruiters I think. Best to just upgrade Rookies and Rookie draft heaps.

There have been a lot of academy players who have been given some time in the NEAFL, but when I ask which current rookie listed player would I replace to have any of them on our list, I come up empty. I don't think any of them have shown more than Jack Hiscox did when he got drafted and feel the end result would be the same.

Abe Davis kicked 5 goals for South Australia. I'd draft him before any of our current academy players. I wonder if he still would qualify as a Category B rookie.