Media and the Swans (merged / renamed thread)

[AnnieH]

If we make it to the granny, I predict that we will all of a sudden become the darling of the southern media.
We'll get the kind of attention that the doggies got last year.

[liz]

If we make it to the granny, I predict that we will all of a sudden become the darling of the southern media.
We'll get the kind of attention that the doggies got last year.

Not if we were to play the Tigers!

[sprite]

The journalists/commentators might be gaining a bit short term but their killing their industry long term. Within 5 years social media will easily surpass MSN when in comes to obtaining your footy news. I can understand someone like Mike Sheahan being like this as his career is vertually over but long term journalists with 30-40 years left in the industry are cutting themselves off at the legs. The AFL can see this n they like it as they feel they will gain a lot more control over what gets let out in public but long term the fans will also turn their back on them n look to forums like this for more accurate information with honest healthy discussion.

Yep, social media will be the way to go, can see it now. Two kids in Croatia dreaming up a story that Isaac Heeney is being traded to West Coast, contracted for 10 years on $3m a year.

Way to go, more fake news.

[aardvark]

Not if we were to play the Tigers!

Yep. The Fairy Cubs are the latest fad down south. They even get gifted a home final they don't deserve. What a story should they win......make it happen Umps!

[Boddo]

Yep, social media will be the way to go, can see it now. Two kids in Croatia dreaming up a story that Isaac Heeney is being traded to West Coast, contracted for 10 years on $3m a year.

Way to go, more fake news.

I said forums like this. I didn't say bigfooty. And if you spend any amount of time on it you soon work who talks @@@@@ n who doesn't. Also how is your hypothetical any different from the garbage that gets pumped out by msm now? Sam Clueless McClure on talking footy "a significant moment in the history of the Nth Melbourne football club. As we go to air tonight..." oh ffs it's a contract extension for Brad Scott not Carey jumping into bed with the vice captains mrs or Norf grabbing a plethora of stars under the ten year rule and going on to win their first premiership N if you want fake news he then goes on to talk about Scott possibly going to Gold Coast n getting an offer even though GC haven't even formed a committee to look at new coaches. He also goes on to talk about weighing up of GC offers vs Norf offers. That's fake news at its best. Lastly a lot of the stories on msm come from forums, look at the recent breaking news of a possible move of Martin to Sydney. It started on bf to take the p!$$ n kept its legs from months ago all the while everyone knew it was a p!$$take n then you get the drop kicks from msm who ran with it. MSM is dieing in front of our eyes n blindly a lot of them put their head in the sand pretending their not the reason it's dieing. Sadly we'll lose good journalists like Jake Niall.

And to add on it was Ludwig who broke the news to us that Reid n Jones would definitely re-sign with four year contracts not msm.

[Boddo]

Because the game is only played in Australia (let's face it barely anyone OS has even heard of it, let alone cares one iota)
there is always going to be an in built insularity around footy. It's big fish in a small pond stuff. The money in it is miniscule
compared to international sports (the winner of the US Open next week will receive $4.8M for playing seven tennis matches)
and even other sports that are just played in one or two other countries. So growth in the sport is always going to be fairly
limited, but even that will be stymied while the administration, the bulk of the professional teams and the footy media is
based in a location that only has 15% of the countries population. It's a pity, it's such a great sport, but it's not really going
anywhere. But maybe that's what people ultimately want.

Look at it this way though. If it was an American game run professionally how the NFL is run this great game would have been marketed to the world n more than likely spread to other countries. Instead it's run by the hillbillies who appear to be from a bygone era. I've watched NFL a bit n their presentation n professionalism is first class. We have a Ferrari getting driven by a person who shouldn't even be allowed on a bike. but is anyone surprised? Do you seriously think the boys club could or want to compete on an international stage? You only have to look what happened when WADA rode into town n put the yokels in their place.

[Matty10]

Look at it this way though. If it was an American game run professionally how the NFL is run this great game would have been marketed to the world n more than likely spread to other countries. Instead it's run by the hillbillies who appear to be from a bygone era. I've watched NFL a bit n their presentation n professionalism is first class. We have a Ferrari getting driven by a person who shouldn't even be allowed on a bike. but is anyone surprised? Do you seriously think the boys club could or want to compete on an international stage? You only have to look what happened when WADA rode into town n put the yokels in their place.

I would suggest the similarities between the NFL and AFL (even in terms of media and administration) are more pronounced than their differences. The market is the key difference (which is the main reason they can thumb their nose at organisations like WADA).

The complaints, whining, ill-informed opinions and frustrations that frequently occupy AFL fan boards are also replicated on those with NFL allegiances.


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[penga]

Look at it this way though. If it was an American game run professionally how the NFL is run this great game would have been marketed to the world n more than likely spread to other countries. Instead it's run by the hillbillies who appear to be from a bygone era. I've watched NFL a bit n their presentation n professionalism is first class. We have a Ferrari getting driven by a person who shouldn't even be allowed on a bike. but is anyone surprised? Do you seriously think the boys club could or want to compete on an international stage? You only have to look what happened when WADA rode into town n put the yokels in their place.

Completely agree, re the NFL. The professionalism is staggering in comparison to our pathetic efforts. If you want to be blown away by a broadcaster (everyone else) record NFL RedZone in two weeks and watch Scott Hanson single-handedly host up to eight games at once for six/seven hours straight!! That guy is a machine!! Whatsmore, he is humble enough to go back and correct the names he says incorrectly, unlike the numerous names our presenters get wrong in every single broadcast.

[KTigers]

Professional sports in the US is a whole different universe to here I think. I've spent a considerable amount of time there over a long
period because of my job, and I think besides the scale of the place, there is a long history of private ownership there, and so a
long history of sports being a business. They've been doing it for a long time and they've gotten pretty good at it. As a punter, when
you go to one of the new ballparks there, you think "Whoa, why can't we have this?". Well we can, but it will take private ownership
to do it. Not quite sure that is in the Australian ethos right at the moment. But probably just need a couple clubs to go broke and
some very wealthy people will decide they want a piece of it. And it probably won't be the end of the earth. When you meet a die hard
Dodgers fan in LA, they don't care who owns the team, they are just people who love their team and the game and those @@@@ty Dodger
Dogs and their kids little league team. They are just the same as footy fans here, probably spending too much time posting on one of
the fan sites.

[penga]

Professional sports in the US is a whole different universe to here I think. I've spent a considerable amount of time there over a long
period because of my job, and I think besides the scale of the place, there is a long history of private ownership there, and so a
long history of sports being a business. They've been doing it for a long time and they've gotten pretty good at it. As a punter, when
you go to one of the new ballparks there, you think "Whoa, why can't we have this?". Well we can, but it will take private ownership
to do it. Not quite sure that is in the Australian ethos right at the moment. But probably just need a couple clubs to go broke and
some very wealthy people will decide they want a piece of it. And it probably won't be the end of the earth. When you meet a die hard
Dodgers fan in LA, they don't care who owns the team, they are just people who love their team and the game and those @@@@ty Dodger
Dogs and their kids little league team. They are just the same as footy fans here, probably spending too much time posting on one of
the fan sites.

If private ownership was the causal factor in broadcasting/journalistic professionalism, the English Premier League would have excellent standards. Not the case. If you want to see fake news, follow that, it is absolutely horrendous!! Makes Barrett and co look like level-headed, decent blokes. And every game has a narrative that must create the most headlines. Martin Tyler is the exception to the above criticism.

[sidswan]

Not if we were to play the Tigers!

I'm certain the Tigers are this years dogs

[stevoswan]

I'm certain the Tigers are this years dogs

I'm very worried this is the case too. The 'vibe' is certainly building! I hope the 'fairycubs' go out in straight sets.....and we'll take care of the 'fairybombers' in week one.....

[Boddo]

Completely agree, re the NFL. The professionalism is staggering in comparison to our pathetic efforts. If you want to be blown away by a broadcaster (everyone else) record NFL RedZone in two weeks and watch Scott Hanson single-handedly host up to eight games at once for six/seven hours straight!! That guy is a machine!! Whatsmore, he is humble enough to go back and correct the names he says incorrectly, unlike the numerous names our presenters get wrong in every single broadcast.

It's the media that does my head in the most when comparing the 2. Our media sound like a bunch of m8's at the local having a yarn over a pint or 2 all the time trying to take the p!$$. The occasional times I've sat to watch some NFL I'm blown away by how consise n clear n professional it all sounds. The cricket seen the writing on the wall with Warne n co talking about pizza toppings n the old back in my day crap n that's why for about 4 years I couldn't be bothered watching, it was amateurish at best. Thanx mcNamara????That's more what I'm getting at when I talk about professionalism. Just commentate the game n give some insights, their not the reason I turn on the tv. Our sport will never grow unless it gets out of pandering to the garden variety bogan.

[annew]

I think the Lumumba doco is on free-to-air this Sunday night. Nick Maxwell is a smart and interesting character, though I do think
he is going to get busted for on field coaching at some stage. Barry is right, we should hire him.

Rhys Shaw was runner for swans last week, maybe he is going to be swans version of Nick Maxwell

[Boddo]

Just wondering if anyone saw Talking Hawthorn last night?