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Ironically, today the @@@@ that Goodes copped wouldn't fly.
How quickly society changes.
How quickly society changes.
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No one is attacking anyone! This is a footy thread on the subject of a Swans legend. So far, there's just a few comments on how Adam is still perceived in society. Some say things have improved, some say things haven't changed much. We are ALL on Adam's side....I don't know how this thread could become a dispute. May I say that while certain areas of society are changing for the better, as mentioned above, unfortunately I don't think things have changed too much where Adam is concerned. When the booing of Adam was happening, where I work was divided but a lot, possibly the majority, thought Adam was 'a sook', 'should harden up', 'brought it on himself', was a 'stager' and 'picked on that little girl'......they were so deluded by the utter bull they were reading online, hearing from bigoted acquaintances, radio shock jocks and the like, they had made up there minds.....none of them even knew about his 'GO' foundation and claimed he was AOTY only because he was an indigenous sportsman. I argued with them ad nauseum but it was futile. These were not people with 'open minds', they had prejudices and they would not waver......and this is not a society which is ready for positive change in all areas and Adam, Micky O and their indigenous brothers and sisters along with likeminded and intelligent white Australians still have a lot of work to do.......and as Bloods05 alluded to, the rise of the far right can hardly be seen as progress. This thread might be an 'open chat' but at it's core is a Swans footy legend and as the AFL largely reflects Australian society, it's still a footy related chat. Cheers..... PS: I actually see our club's values and culture as a reflection of the best of society that we should all aim for as Australians.
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Thank you. My reference to Yiannopoulos was an illustration of how far we still have to go on the issue of racism. It is very obvious that racism was at the heart of the anti-Goodes feeling, and when the mass media still treats a man who advocates the creation of a white ethno-state and ridicules indigenous culture as some kind of pop star, it seems highly likely to me that there will be more outbreaks of the kind of behaviour we saw with Adam just a few years ago. This battle still has a long way to run.No one is attacking anyone! This is a footy thread on the subject of a Swans legend. So far, there's just a few comments on how Adam is still perceived in society. Some say things have improved, some say things haven't changed much. We are ALL on Adam's side....I don't know how this thread could become a dispute. May I say that while certain areas of society are changing for the better, as mentioned above, unfortunately I don't think things have changed too much where Adam is concerned. When the booing of Adam was happening, where I work was divided but a lot, possibly the majority, thought Adam was 'a sook', 'should harden up', 'brought it on himself', was a 'stager' and 'picked on that little girl'......they were so deluded by the utter bull they were reading online, hearing from bigoted acquaintances, radio shock jocks and the like, they had made up there minds.....none of them even knew about his 'GO' foundation and claimed he was AOTY only because he was an indigenous sportsman. I argued with them ad nauseum but it was futile. These were not people with 'open minds', they had prejudices and they would not waver......and this is not a society which is ready for positive change in all areas and Adam, Micky O and their indigenous brothers and sisters along with likeminded and intelligent white Australians still have a lot of work to do.......and as Bloods05 alluded to, the rise of the far right can hardly be seen as progress. This thread might be an 'open chat' but at it's core is a Swans footy legend and as the AFL largely reflects Australian society, it's still a footy related chat. Cheers..... PS: I actually see our club's values and culture as a reflection of the best of society that we should all aim for as Australians.Comment
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I'm gonna have to report this post.No one is attacking anyone! This is a footy thread on the subject of a Swans legend. So far, there's just a few comments on how Adam is still perceived in society. Some say things have improved, some say things haven't changed much. We are ALL on Adam's side....I don't know how this thread could become a dispute. May I say that while certain areas of society are changing for the better, as mentioned above, unfortunately I don't think things have changed too much where Adam is concerned. When the booing of Adam was happening, where I work was divided but a lot, possibly the majority, thought Adam was 'a sook', 'should harden up', 'brought it on himself', was a 'stager' and 'picked on that little girl'......they were so deluded by the utter bull they were reading online, hearing from bigoted acquaintances, radio shock jocks and the like, they had made up there minds.....none of them even knew about his 'GO' foundation and claimed he was AOTY only because he was an indigenous sportsman. I argued with them ad nauseum but it was futile. These were not people with 'open minds', they had prejudices and they would not waver......and this is not a society which is ready for positive change in all areas and Adam, Micky O and their indigenous brothers and sisters along with likeminded and intelligent white Australians still have a lot of work to do.......and as Bloods05 alluded to, the rise of the far right can hardly be seen as progress. This thread might be an 'open chat' but at it's core is a Swans footy legend and as the AFL largely reflects Australian society, it's still a footy related chat. Cheers..... PS: I actually see our club's values and culture as a reflection of the best of society that we should all aim for as Australians.
I don't see 37 mentioned once
The closest I saw was 05 which is clearly way off topic...The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.Comment
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Same here. They never really retire numbers anyway, they just stop using them for a few years until a young gun comes along. Saving it for an indigenous player is a poor precedent. Do we start allocating numbers for people of particular races? Because, that's what we would be doing.Comment
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For me it's not about an indigenous player getting the jumper.
Personally I would see that as not being helpful to acceptance, equality and working towards us all being Australians. It contradicts the whole end goal by once again making a point of difference.
However I understand perhaps why in the short term that perpetuating a racial difference may be of benefit to some parts of society.
What I don't like about holding the number for a 'star' (as has been implied many times on this board) is that it diminishes the value of the number.
What made it special is that it wasn't handed to Paul Kelly because he was seen as the next big thing.
It's a lower number, and they tend to go to the better players, of those who have been on the list for a few years.
But handing it to say Heeney, who is likely going to be our next 'ultimate hero' is just reserving it for those who are worthy, and that's what the number will become.
I would have liked to have seen it kicked straight back into action (Or maybe retire it for only a year) and see how the player wearing it goes.
Could be that they do a couple of years and get traded. Maybe forced out with injury etc. But then someone else gets it and maybe they will turn out to be special.The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.Comment
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......and here endeth this thread, thanks to posts 18 and 19 and the resulting deleted posts.
It's sad when even Swans fans can't talk about Adam Goodes without someone 'getting offended' or 'being offensive' or FFS, pre-empting offense and trying to shut any discussion down. May I say, that last point was where it all started to sour......maybe there's something to learn there. 
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It's funny how a simple question 'will #37 be in play this year' degenerated into I don't know what.Comment
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It's over everyone.....move on. We'll try this again sometime down the track...... maybe by just congratulating the starry eyed kid who is lucky enough to end up with the great man's number on his back, whoever that ends up being.
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