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  • dejavoodoo44
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    • Apr 2015
    • 8652

    #31
    Firstly, since this is probably going to be quite a long addition to Bloodspirit's post, I won't make it longer by quoting the post. Though I will make things a bit longer, by starting with a graph of the inverted u hypothesis of arousal and sports performance: a theory that many of you would have heard of and many wouldn't.

    inverted u.jpg

    But of course, there's not much point including a graph, without explaining what it means. So, the essence of the inverted u hypothesis, is that performance suffers if the player is under-aroused or over-aroused, but at the right level of arousal, there is a state of optimum performance. That is, if a player is bored, not committed to the team, or distracted by other issues, then they don't have enough arousal for a high level of performance. However, it's not the case, that more the arousal, the better the performance. There comes a time, when too much arousal has a negative effect on performance. This can be from such things as, excessive stress affecting muscle coordination, or a panicky mental state causing the player to question their competence and to start thinking about learned subroutines that are best just left to the subconscious.

    Anyway, why I mention this, is that I think the two mentioned strategies of Richmond are a way of minimising the negative arousal levels. Though to my mind, one of them is much more likely to be effective, than the other.

    Firstly, to the one that I think is the more effective: the encouragement of an increased level of communication between all those involved in the team. To me, this goes to the fundamentals of being human. That is, pretty well all of human evolution took place in small groups; with a virtuous circle driving that evolution. The virtuous circle being, a level of communication and cooperation within human groups, increases the intelligence and survival skills of those within the group; that increased increased intelligence then increases the ability to communicate and cooperate, which in turn increases intelligence,and so on. So, without going to far into a pet subject, there a number of things that are essential for this process. Probably the most essential, is the recognition that other members of the group are on your side, and that by helping them, you are also helping yourself. Also important, are the ability to recognise what the challenges and problems are, to honestly discuss these challenges amongst the group and to arrive at workable solutions.

    I tend to think that this was very important to Roosy, when he took over as Swans coach. In his book, he often talked about what he thought was counterproductive in the methods of coaches that he had played under, and how he thought that he could make an improvement. What he seemed to dislike most, was how it was pretty well a tradition for the coach to be dictator, with very little input from the players on game plans, training methods, or what was working for the player and what wasn't. So when he took over, he went about encouraging discussion, by increasing team meetings and instituting a democratically elected leadership group; as opposed to the standard coach and captain. This was important, because it recognised that players have different personalities. For instance, in an situation where there was only one captain, if a player had a personality clash with the captain, then they were less likely to communicate effectively and more likely to develop hostility. Whereas, with a variety of personalities in the leadership group, a player should find at least one person, who they are easily able to discuss issues with.

    Anyway, since I started with the inverted u, I better discuss how it fits in. The root causes for poor performance, due to under-arousal, can be things like, not feeling a strong team bond, thinking that the game plan is crap, or not feeling that your contribution will make a difference. Good communication can counteract all of those. Open discussion usually creates stronger personal bonds. Discussing tactics amongst a team, where a range of options are considered, where most players voice an opinion on the pros and cons of the issues, and where there is agreement on the eventual plan, means that more more players feel attached to the game plan and therefore, are more motivated to implement that plan. While talking about the roles that each player can perform, in order to carry out the game plan, helps to reassure individuals that their contribution will make a difference to group performance. In regards to over-arousal, some causes for the excessive stress, are: attempting to do too much by yourself; anger at your team mates, if you feel that they are shirking; and panic, if you become convinced that things are just not going to work like they should. Once again, discussion and team bonding helps to counteract these things. You are less likely to angrily attempt to perform other player's roles, if you trust them to fulfil their duties. While panic is less likely to be a problem, if you have built a culture of problem solving and of supporting each other.

    Hmmm, I was going to discuss why I suspect that Richmond introducing mindfulness practices may be less effective, but I have run out of time, so maybe later. Though I'll just finishing by saying that Richmond seems to have gone further than Roosy did, in their encouragement of team bonding. So if anyone has read the book on their season, I would be interested in hearing what they actually did. Otherwise, I may have to read a book about the Richmond football club.

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    • CureTheSane
      Carpe Noctem
      • Jan 2003
      • 5032

      #32
      Too many comments to make about that last post.
      Most of which are not appropriate.
      Ima stop myself...
      The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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      • dejavoodoo44
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        • Apr 2015
        • 8652

        #33
        Originally posted by CureTheSane
        Too many comments to make about that last post.
        Most of which are not appropriate.
        Ima stop myself...
        So, by not discussing something, are you trying to make the obtuse point, that discussion is not worthwhile? Odd attitude for a discussion site.

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        • CureTheSane
          Carpe Noctem
          • Jan 2003
          • 5032

          #34
          lol, seems my comment aroused you?

          It was a joke.
          Don't call me obtuse or having an old attitude.
          Call me immature, smutty, childish, crude, or worse... off topic.
          The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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          • dejavoodoo44
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            • Apr 2015
            • 8652

            #35
            Originally posted by CureTheSane
            lol, seems my comment aroused you?

            It was a joke.
            Don't call me obtuse or having an old attitude.
            Call me immature, smutty, childish, crude, or worse... off topic.
            I don't think I actually called you anything? But I was insinuating, that it might be more helpful, that if you have an objection to my post about the benefits of open discussion, to let me know what that objection was. Then we could discuss the issue openly.

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            • CureTheSane
              Carpe Noctem
              • Jan 2003
              • 5032

              #36
              OK, so it seems I need to further clarify.
              I was going to ask exactly what amount of porn the players should be watching before the game to get the sufficiently aroused but not too aroused.
              I thought about how much abstinence from girlfriends and wives would be considered ideal.
              You used the terms 'root causes' 'team bond' 'personal bonds' 'attempting to do too much by yourself' all in the one paragraph. Dissecting that could have been fun.

              My initial comment was a fun pseudo-sexualisation of your post - something I now kinda regret.
              Sorry.
              The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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              • dejavoodoo44
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                • Apr 2015
                • 8652

                #37
                Originally posted by CureTheSane
                OK, so it seems I need to further clarify.
                I was going to ask exactly what amount of porn the players should be watching before the game to get the sufficiently aroused but not too aroused.
                I thought about how much abstinence from girlfriends and wives would be considered ideal.
                You used the terms 'root causes' 'team bond' 'personal bonds' 'attempting to do too much by yourself' all in the one paragraph. Dissecting that could have been fun.

                My initial comment was a fun pseudo-sexualisation of your post - something I now kinda regret.
                Sorry.
                Okay, no problem, I see now that you were making a joke and that I entirely missed it. I probably should have stated physiological arousal or mental arousal. It didn't occur to me that it would be interpreted as sexual arousal. I'm not sure why? But anyway, that led me to misinterpret what you wrote, as having fundamental disagreements with what I wrote, but being too patronising to tell me what it was. Sorry about that. Sorted?

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                • Bloods05
                  Senior Player
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 1641

                  #38
                  Originally posted by CureTheSane
                  OK, so it seems I need to further clarify.
                  I was going to ask exactly what amount of porn the players should be watching before the game to get the sufficiently aroused but not too aroused.
                  I thought about how much abstinence from girlfriends and wives would be considered ideal.
                  You used the terms 'root causes' 'team bond' 'personal bonds' 'attempting to do too much by yourself' all in the one paragraph. Dissecting that could have been fun.

                  My initial comment was a fun pseudo-sexualisation of your post - something I now kinda regret.
                  Sorry.
                  Nothing wrong with fun pseudo-sexualisation.

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                  • CureTheSane
                    Carpe Noctem
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 5032

                    #39
                    Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
                    Okay, no problem, I see now that you were making a joke and that I entirely missed it. I probably should have stated physiological arousal or mental arousal. It didn't occur to me that it would be interpreted as sexual arousal. I'm not sure why? But anyway, that led me to misinterpret what you wrote, as having fundamental disagreements with what I wrote, but being too patronising to tell me what it was. Sorry about that. Sorted?
                    no problems, it's all cool
                    The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                    • dejavoodoo44
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                      • Apr 2015
                      • 8652

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Bloods05
                      Nothing wrong with fun pseudo-sexualisation.
                      Yes, I also see nothing wrong with a bit of smut. As I've possibly demonstrated, with various posts over the years.

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                      • dejavoodoo44
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                        • Apr 2015
                        • 8652

                        #41
                        Originally posted by CureTheSane
                        no problems, it's all cool
                        Cool. And if you want to see the inverted u hypothesis in action, Nick Kyrgios has just taken to the court and he is one those sportspeople, who shifts most noticeably between the various states of physiological arousal.

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                        • Mel_C
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                          • Jan 2003
                          • 4470

                          #42
                          After reading dejavoodoo44's post I thought about last year's grand final. I went to the game and I noted the differences between the 2 teams during the lead up.

                          As Richmond were starting to finish up their warm up I noticed that Justin Leppitch was going around to each player and giving them a huge bear hug. They seemed relaxed and genuinely excited.

                          Whereas Adelaide seemed really serious and the whole national anthem stare down was forced.

                          I don't know if that affected the result but I think you need a balance.

                          I remember in 2014 that I thought we were too serious compared to 2012. It didn't seem like the players were enjoying themselves during the grand final parade. Maybe they were feeling the pressure of being favourites. Or maybe I'm just still trying to find an excuse why they failed to turn up that day!!!! [emoji26]

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                          • Blood Fever
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                            • Apr 2007
                            • 4050

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Mel_C
                            After reading dejavoodoo44's post I thought about last year's grand final. I went to the game and I noted the differences between the 2 teams during the lead up.

                            As Richmond were starting to finish up their warm up I noticed that Justin Leppitch was going around to each player and giving them a huge bear hug. They seemed relaxed and genuinely excited.

                            Whereas Adelaide seemed really serious and the whole national anthem stare down was forced.

                            I don't know if that affected the result but I think you need a balance.

                            I remember in 2014 that I thought we were too serious compared to 2012. It didn't seem like the players were enjoying themselves during the grand final parade. Maybe they were feeling the pressure of being favourites. Or maybe I'm just still trying to find an excuse why they failed to turn up that day!!!! [emoji26]
                            We don't have a good record as favourites, especially in Grand Finals. Prefer the days when we regarded as a very honest team rather than a talented one. Wish pundits would stop talking us up all the time now.

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                            • stevoswan
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                              • Sep 2014
                              • 8560

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Blood Fever
                              We don't have a good record as favourites, especially in Grand Finals. Prefer the days when we regarded as a very honest team rather than a talented one. Wish pundits would stop talking us up all the time now.
                              I think the 'pundits', ie: the Melbourne press, begrudgingly talk us up and rightly so when it comes down to it but I think they might also see a possible advantage in ramping up the pressure of expectation on the Swans to win a flag in the 'Buddy' years, in the hope we keep stuffing it up.......which we seem to be doing. I might be reaching a bit there with that theory. Having said that, I'm sure it's a subconscious pressure the players feel anyway, as each season and repeated chances to obtain glory pass by without ultimate success. We were plainly robbed in 2016 though.....

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                              • bloodspirit
                                Clubman
                                • Apr 2015
                                • 4448

                                #45
                                I don't get the theory that we are meant to win a flag because we have Buddy. It's not like he's an unfair advantage. We still have the same salary cap as everyone else. I expect and want us to win just the same, because I have a lot of faith in our list (including Buddy) but not more because of the Buddy deal. I especially think this is true because it is not like we have traded off on the future for premierships now by getting him - we have continued to invest in the draft and youth and we have a very nicely experienced and aged team. Indeed, our lack of spare dollars has probably compelled us to focus on youth and developing our own talent - the two have a nice synergy.

                                At the same time, Buddy has more than delivered on his recruitment. Not only has he lived up to and exceeded our expectations as player and leader, he has also been brilliant for marketing, crowds, membership and sponsorship.

                                Anyway, this all seems off topic - so apologies for that. Understand if it is moved.
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