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  • YvonneH
    Senior Player
    • Sep 2011
    • 1141

    Swans chat Most talented list

    Champion data (according to AFL.com.au) has us as the most talented list in the AFL. 17 players rated 'elite' or 'above average'.

    As we all know talent alone does not win premierships, it takes a 'champion team' and not a 'team of champions'.

    The article also refers to us as 'Lance Franklin's Swans'. I personally don't have an issue with this, but I wonder how Joey Kennedy would feel seeing as he is the captain.
  • CureTheSane
    Carpe Noctem
    • Jan 2003
    • 5032

    #2
    Depending on what the context was in which they said that, I have a problem with it.
    Smacks of Bondi Billionaire crap
    The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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    • Blood Fever
      Veterans List
      • Apr 2007
      • 4044

      #3
      Originally posted by CureTheSane
      Depending on what the context was in which they said that, I have a problem with it.
      Smacks of Bondi Billionaire crap
      Notice Eddie McGuire, one of the authors of the term Bondi Billionaire, is President of the Melbourne Stars . Team hasn't fired a shot in BBL despite a line up of gun players. Not a peep out of Eddie and hardly a blip of criticism in the media. Protected species in Melbourne.

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      • Bloods05
        Senior Player
        • Oct 2008
        • 1641

        #4
        Originally posted by YvonneH

        As we all know talent alone does not win premierships, it takes a 'champion team' and not a 'team of champions'.
        Unless the team of champions is really really good.

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        • bloodspirit
          Clubman
          • Apr 2015
          • 4448

          #5
          I agree with CTS. Depending on context, not appropriate to refer to "Lance Franklin's Swans". We are a team and we play as a team - not appropriate to single out a single player in this way. Anyway, he is our MVP not our captain or spiritual leader (like, say, Kelly, Kirky or Goodsey).
          All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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          • YvonneH
            Senior Player
            • Sep 2011
            • 1141

            #6
            Originally posted by Bloods05
            Unless the team of champions is really really good.
            And that team of champions plays like 1 team and not individual champion.

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            • 707
              Veterans List
              • Aug 2009
              • 6204

              #7
              I think many of us have forgotten how impressive and composed Aliir was in 2016, if he can recapture his 2016 form he will add another dimension down back.

              After the 2016 season Aliir rated Above Average and was on the cusp of being rated Elite by Champion Data so we'll be even better placed in terms of list talent, on paper that is!

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              • Auntie.Gerald
                Veterans List
                • Oct 2009
                • 6474

                #8
                AA was fantastic for our transition variety

                Let?s see how much he wants to keep zero space between his match up this season in defence
                "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                • dejavoodoo44
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2015
                  • 8580

                  #9
                  Yes, "Lance Franklin's Swans" was sort of wrong, as it possibly had the insinuation, that we got to be so talented by buying elite players.
                  Another thing that I found interesting, was that Carlton was apparently the least talented list. I'm not sure what they have done with their list over the off season, but last year, in terms of players taken as top ten draft picks, the only club that had more was GWS. Which suggests that plenty of high draft picks may be overrated. It seems to me, that the higher salary that high picks tend to get, could be disproportionate, to the actual difference in skills with the other lesser players on the list. It could also mean, that some of the other players are being paid under the odds, which may effect their performance.
                  And by way of contrast, us Swans are supposed to have the most talented list, but year in and year out, we are one of the teams with the lowest number of top ten picks and highest number of players originally taken in the rookie draft.

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                  • Ludwig
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 9359

                    #10
                    I think we are like, really elite. Even really really elite. We are so elite, I would say we are elitist.

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                    • dejavoodoo44
                      Veterans List
                      • Apr 2015
                      • 8580

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Ludwig
                      I think we are like, really elite. Even really really elite. We are so elite, I would say we are elitist.
                      Yeah, we are so elite, the prize for our B & F, is a Hunter Valley vineyard.

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                      • 707
                        Veterans List
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 6204

                        #12
                        Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
                        Yeah, we are so elite, the prize for our B & F, is a Hunter Valley vineyard.
                        If we were settling Australia now, we wouldn't be planting vines in the Hunter Valley!

                        Barossa and McLaren Vale are the two best Shiraz regions by a long way.

                        Carlton has a stack of high draft picks on their list but Champion Data rates players on actual performances and many of their picks are yet to reach potential due to age.

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                        • bloodspirit
                          Clubman
                          • Apr 2015
                          • 4448

                          #13
                          Originally posted by 707
                          If we were settling Australia now, we wouldn't be planting vines in the Hunter Valley!

                          Barossa and McLaren Vale are the two best Shiraz regions by a long way.
                          What is this arrantly off topic nonsense? Sure, McLaren Vale is my fave shiraz but shiraz is not the only variety and the Hunter has excellent semillon and chardonnay. More to the point, why are we talking about whether we would plant vines in the Hunter?

                          We have a highly rated list because we are good at coaching and development (plus some kudos to Kin Beatson) - although suggesting that we are well coached is going to bait some of the trolls out there!
                          All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                          • stevoswan
                            Veterans List
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 8548

                            #14
                            Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
                            And by way of contrast, us Swans are supposed to have the most talented list, but year in and year out, we are one of the teams with the lowest number of top ten picks and highest number of players originally taken in the rookie draft.
                            Plus, we got to where we are with a two year trading ban thrown in for good measure ........stuff the 'VFL', you'd reckon they have learned by now that you just can't keep a good club down.

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                            • Bloods05
                              Senior Player
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 1641

                              #15
                              Originally posted by stevoswan
                              Plus, we got to where we are with a two year trading ban thrown in for good measure ........stuff the 'VFL', you'd reckon they have learned by now that you just can't keep a good club down.
                              Don't tempt them.

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