Injuries - Naismith ACL

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  • bloodspirit
    Clubman
    • Apr 2015
    • 4448

    #46
    'Technically Kurt could play': Swans' ruck crisis - AFL.com.au
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    • liz
      Veteran
      Site Admin
      • Jan 2003
      • 16770

      #47
      Originally posted by rickmat
      Dawson is the interesting one as it appears he is on the outer by the Swans Brains Trust. In my mind, he has far more talent than Robinson, Foote, Cunningham and Rose. My thoughts for what they are worth
      It's been mentioned in several threads that Dawson has been injured. Longmire said at the AGM that he was about six weeks away, though I can't remember if that was six weeks until he was ready to resume full training or six weeks until he was ready to play. I think it was the latter. (And from memory, I think Longmire said it was a quad issue.) Longmire spoke positively about Dawson and the club's hopes for him.

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      • Ludwig
        Veterans List
        • Apr 2007
        • 9359

        #48
        Originally posted by liz
        I don't think Goodes was a prototype. That suggests he was first of a kind.
        I should have said that Goodes is the paragon of the modern ruckman. If you can get a big guy like Dean Cox, who can do it all, it's probably a better ruck option than a Goodes, but they are few and far between. It will be interesting to see how Amartey progresses. He fits the Goodes type mould, a bit undersized, but very athletic. He also looks as though he will fill out into a powerful player as well.

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        • barry
          Veterans List
          • Jan 2003
          • 8499

          #49
          There is a romantic view that tippet comes in late in the season and delivers a flag, just when we'd given up on him. Clark Keating style.

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          • MattW
            Veterans List
            • May 2011
            • 4218

            #50
            Interestingly, Kinnear Beatson has suggested Aliir is an option in rhis piece: Nocookies | The Australian. Slightly strange, as Harley tends to speak for the club on these kind of matters. Mention is made of Amatey learning his trade in the NEAFL for a year.

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            • ScottH
              It's Goodes to cheer!!
              • Sep 2003
              • 23665

              #51
              Originally posted by MattW
              Interestingly, Kinnear Beatson has suggested Aliir is an option in rhis piece: Nocookies | The Australian. Slightly strange, as Harley tends to speak for the club on these kind of matters. Mention is made of Amatey learning his trade in the NEAFL for a year.
              So did Andrew Ireland last night.
              Aliir and/or Towers.

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              • barry
                Veterans List
                • Jan 2003
                • 8499

                #52
                Towers is our No.1 ruck with help from the resting full forward (Sinclair).

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                • Billericay
                  Regular in the Side
                  • May 2013
                  • 712

                  #53
                  Originally posted by barry
                  Towers is our No.1 ruck with help from the resting full forward (Sinclair).
                  Other way round I think. Tonight they've named Cameron as starting ruckman. I wonder who will get more ruck contests?

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                  • Ludwig
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 9359

                    #54
                    Realistically it's very difficult for a ruckman to come back from an ACL reco in less than 18 months. Natanui is just starting to get some reserves level match practice now and Jonathon Ceglar, who is also 18 months into an ACL reco has delayed training due to a back complaint.

                    If I were Tom Harley, I wouldn't offer Naismith another contract. He is very doubtful even to play much in the NEAFL next year, so it will be 2? years out of AFL competition before he's a chance to play again in the AFL and by that time I think we will have moved on.

                    I'm sure there will be plenty of free agent ruckman available at the end of the year if we choose to go that route. Much depends on how things go in finding a good solution to not having a decent conventional ruckman.

                    Having the weakest ruck stocks in the AFL gives us the opportunity to find alternative solutions to turning an almost certain loss in the hitouts every game to our advantage.

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                    • jono2707
                      Goes up to 11
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 3326

                      #55
                      Young Liam Maze would have been handy NEAFL cover this year, but I think he's moved on and/or we can no longer access him as a top up due to his age. Can anyone confirm this?

                      An important flow on affect of our low ruck stocks is the impact on structures and the development of our young midfielders in the NEAFL if we don't have half decent ruckmen there.

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                      • mcs
                        Travelling Swannie!!
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 8166

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Ludwig
                        Realistically it's very difficult for a ruckman to come back from an ACL reco in less than 18 months. Natanui is just starting to get some reserves level match practice now and Jonathon Ceglar, who is also 18 months into an ACL reco has delayed training due to a back complaint.

                        If I were Tom Harley, I wouldn't offer Naismith another contract. He is very doubtful even to play much in the NEAFL next year, so it will be 2? years out of AFL competition before he's a chance to play again in the AFL and by that time I think we will have moved on.

                        I'm sure there will be plenty of free agent ruckman available at the end of the year if we choose to go that route. Much depends on how things go in finding a good solution to not having a decent conventional ruckman.

                        Having the weakest ruck stocks in the AFL gives us the opportunity to find alternative solutions to turning an almost certain loss in the hitouts every game to our advantage.
                        Its such a shame for big Sam - like others I fear his body isn't going to let him achieve what he could at AFL level. But that's the way it goes - he won't be the first or last big man to not be able to ultimately survive the challenges and rigours of AFL footy.
                        "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                        • 707
                          Veterans List
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 6204

                          #57
                          Jake Lloyd, hamstring! Can anyone confirm this dreadful news.

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                          • Markwebbos
                            Veterans List
                            • Jul 2016
                            • 7186

                            #58
                            Originally posted by 707
                            Jake Lloyd, hamstring! Can anyone confirm this dreadful news.
                            Where are you getting it from?

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                            • O'Reilly Boy
                              Warming the Bench
                              • Feb 2014
                              • 474

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Markwebbos
                              Where are you getting it from?
                              Any updates? I'm not seeing anything anywhere (but I'm not terribly well-connected)

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                              • AB Swannie
                                Senior Player
                                • Mar 2017
                                • 1579

                                #60
                                All I know is that Longmire said in the post game interview that Lloyd sat out the last quarter of the GWS game due to a tight quad but "he feels OK".

                                We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

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