Changes for Rnd 3 V GWS

[Ludwig]

Trying to work out Rohan's best place is a road to insanity. The only way to avoid your mind going into meltdown is to absorb the fact that he is over hyped by the faithful. If you accept he's a fringe player, you'll stop thinking he's the answer or to blame for a loss.
Enlightenment is this way.

Thanks Barry.

And to think, all that money I wasted over the years on psychiatrists.

[aardvark]

Thanks Barry.

And to think, all that money I wasted over the years on psychiatrists.

His bill is in the mail.

[The Big Cat]

Rohan for Newman - no logic in that, wouldn't blame Newman if he looked for a trade out at years end so this week lets Newman for Rohan please, the latter needs a good run in the NEAFL.

So Newman should spit the dummy because he got dropped. Gee that's the character we need to encourage.

Btw I thought Rohan played OK

[Bexl]

Btw I thought Rohan played OK

Rohan had 7 disposals which was the lowest of any swans player and = with Howard for port who's only job for them was to try and keep buddy quiet. I cant see how you thought he played ok. He took 1 good mark at half back and late in the game kicked a point. apart from those 2 kicks i hardly saw him.

[AB Swannie]

Calf injuries are not generally the quickest to come back from. Even is it was just ?tightness? which I reckon is code for grade 1 strain, Jones will be given another week.

I saw Reid and Aliir doing some light training at around midday yesterday before the game in the park opposite the SCG. If they?re both running fine then their respective injuries should have recovered enough to be available.

I like the look of Fox for the most part but his kicking efficiency lets him down. To be fair it let everyone down last night but a running back can ill afford to have this as their weakness. I think Allir comes in for Fox especially considering GWS?s tall forward line.

I?ve always been a big supporter of Gary and haven?t worried too much about possession numbers for him. However, with our increased depth, he is certainly sliding towards our 18-26 category. For me, he stays in but is under pressure.

Hayward will be a good player for a long time but he is clearly given a slightly different role this year pushing more into midfield. I?m ok with this thinking but I don?t think it would hurt him spending a few weeks honing this in the NEAFL. Therefore, I?d bring Reid in for him.

In summary:

Outs: Fox, Hayward
Ins: Aliir, Reid

[Jeynez]

I wouldn?t make too many changes, our skill level was down, and we were failing the basics.

In: Jones (if fit) otherwise Newman
Out: Fox

[MattW]

Calf injuries are not generally the quickest to come back from. Even is it was just ?tightness? which I reckon is code for grade 1 strain, Jones will be given another week.

I saw Reid and Aliir doing some light training at around midday yesterday before the game in the park opposite the SCG. If they?re both running fine then their respective injuries should have recovered enough to be available.

I like the look of Fox for the most part but his kicking efficiency lets him down. To be fair it let everyone down last night but a running back can ill afford to have this as their weakness. I think Allir comes in for Fox especially considering GWS?s tall forward line.

I?ve always been a big supporter of Gary and haven?t worried too much about possession numbers for him. However, with our increased depth, he is certainly sliding towards our 18-26 category. For me, he stays in but is under pressure.

Hayward will be a good player for a long time but he is clearly given a slightly different role this year pushing more into midfield. I?m ok with this thinking but I don?t think it would hurt him spending a few weeks honing this in the NEAFL. Therefore, I?d bring Reid in for him.

In summary:

Outs: Fox, Hayward
Ins: Aliir, Reid

I agree we need Aliir in the side and that he matches up well against GWS, but I would be surprised if they picked him given the length of time out (and particularly since he played a full, impressive game of footy). Last year Longmire banged on a bit about how his selection and form in the seniors in 2016 followed excellent form in the reserves. I suspect they'd want him to build up that form again before selecting him in the senior side. Happily, first round of the NEAFL this week.

[The Runner]

Fox - one of our best last night. Great speed in the back half, and provided run. Was surprisingly good 1 on 1.

Those under the pump should be:
Rohan - oh dear. Another terrible night. When the footy gets tough, he goes missing. He just does the odd thing that gives you hope (like the pack grab in the 4th), but he's unfortunately our own Jack Watts (Melbourne edition).
Hewett - his disposal is dreadful. He gets most his ball on the flanks, with some space. But his efficiency in the first two rounds is in par with Kennedy.

So the question when selecting the 22 is, are there players who can take their spots?
Newman - probably. But there's something beyond disposals he's being assessed on that's not delivering. Could be two way running. But it might keep him out.
Jones - straight in.
Reid - you'd think straight in for the Giants. But he's shown to be a player who needs time to get touch. Given that last night was wet weather footy on a dry night, perhaps we wait a week on him
Aliir - as above.

Based on this, I'd be asking for:
In - Jones
Out - Rohan

I'd give George another fortnight to fix his poor ball use.
I'd also be giving Sinclair one more game before bringing Aliir in to ruck.

[Scottee]

Fox - one of our best last night. Great speed in the back half, and provided run. Was surprisingly good 1 on 1.

Those under the pump should be:
Rohan - oh dear. Another terrible night. When the footy gets tough, he goes missing. He just does the odd thing that gives you hope (like the pack grab in the 4th), but he's unfortunately our own Jack Watts (Melbourne edition).
Hewett - his disposal is dreadful. He gets most his ball on the flanks, with some space. But his efficiency in the first two rounds is in par with Kennedy.

So the question when selecting the 22 is, are there players who can take their spots?
Newman - probably. But there's something beyond disposals he's being assessed on that's not delivering. Could be two way running. But it might keep him out.
Jones - straight in.
Reid - you'd think straight in for the Giants. But he's shown to be a player who needs time to get touch. Given that last night was wet weather footy on a dry night, perhaps we wait a week on him
Aliir - as above.

Based on this, I'd be asking for:
In - Jones
Out - Rohan

I'd give George another fortnight to fix his poor ball use.
I'd also be giving Sinclair one more game before bringing Aliir in to ruck.

It's a bit hard to comment on who should be playing when we don't know who is tearing it up in the twos[emoji52]

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[Ludwig]

Especially after seeing the Hawthorn Geelong game I am more convinced than ever that we cannot play with the ball sitting in our defensive 50. We have to be able to get the ball out of there quickly. We need more players ready to break lines. Melican, Reg, Macca and Smith are not going to do it. Even though he's probably our best defender, Reg seems that he has to be the one to go. Macca can move to the midfield or just come off the bench and play where needed.

I think we have to stay with Florent and play Hayward a fair number of games as well. Harry C probably gets the nod over a group of players fighting for the final couple of spots, but he has to keep winning the ball, running hard and tackling. If he keeps doing that he should hold his spot.

Clarkson is not afraid to change things up if something is not working. He had Sicily and O'Brien playing as forwards not long ago. He had Gunston playing back last year. Now Gunston has returned at forward, and the other 2 are looking comfortable playing back.

We need more run from defence and have to make changes to get that done.

We have a deep enough list to flip a few names from week to week to cover injuries and get the best matchups. I'm not too concerned if it's Fox or Newman or Macca. Whatever fits best for that game. The Giants went in very tall last game. They probably will drop Corr and might even drop Patton considering how he played. In any case, they will be pretty tall regrardless of the changes we make.

[The Runner]

Especially after seeing the Hawthorn Geelong game I am more convinced than ever that we cannot play with the ball sitting in our defensive 50. We have to be able to get the ball out of there quickly. We need more players ready to break lines. Melican, Reg, Macca and Smith are not going to do it. Even though he's probably our best defender, Reg seems that he has to be the one to go. Macca can move to the midfield or just come off the bench and play where needed.

I think we have to stay with Florent and play Hayward a fair number of games as well. Harry C probably gets the nod over a group of players fighting for the final couple of spots, but he has to keep winning the ball, running hard and tackling. If he keeps doing that he should hold his spot.

Clarkson is not afraid to change things up if something is not working. He had Sicily and O'Brien playing as forwards not long ago. He had Gunston playing back last year. Now Gunston has returned at forward, and the other 2 are looking comfortable playing back.

We need more run from defence and have to make changes to get that done.

We have a deep enough list to flip a few names from week to week to cover injuries and get the best matchups. I'm not too concerned if it's Fox or Newman or Macca. Whatever fits best for that game. The Giants went in very tall last game. They probably will drop Corr and might even drop Patton considering how he played. In any case, they will be pretty tall regrardless of the changes we make.

So we remove our only true tall defender and take on the Giants?
If we diagnose the real issues from last night, it was skill execution. We fix that, we beat Port last night.

Pretty much anything else is jumping at shadows.

[Cainit]

Agree Port are a quality side who will go deep into September and that we could have easily won. I think not having Sam Reid in the side leaves us to one dimensional.

Also is everyone forgetting that Papley has not as damaging up forward these first two games.

INs Newman
Reid
Jones

Out Rohan (please please please John)
Hayward
Towers (list clogger)

[Ludwig]

So we remove our only true tall defender and take on the Giants?
If we diagnose the real issues from last night, it was skill execution. We fix that, we beat Port last night.

Pretty much anything else is jumping at shadows.

This has been going on for a long time. We have been lauded for our ability to absorb the pressure of the ball being in our defensive 50 so often, but now we are getting hurt by repeat entries because we can't clear the zone. It's not just something that happened this week. We won the centre clearance 19 to 13 v WCE and yet gave up 60 inside 50s. And that's against a team without a strong midfield. We gave up a load of inside 50s after halftime v PA.

It's not just about our defense, but if the ball is living in our defensive end, we're not scoring. We are not a slow team, but we are seriously slow in defence and it shows. It's something that needs to be remedied.

I'm not suggesting that we drop Reg before Aliir is ready to come into the side, especially against a tall Giant's forward line. It's just something that has to be looked at. Maybe there are other solutions, but I don't think the current situation is working.

[0918330512]

Agree Port are a quality side who will go deep into September and that we could have easily won. I think not having Sam Reid in the side leaves us to one dimensional.

Also is everyone forgetting that Papley has not as damaging up forward these first two games.

INs Newman
Reid
Jones

Out Rohan (please please please John)
Hayward
Towers (list clogger)

Yeah, nah, I don?t think many of the powers that be agree with your opinion of Towers.

[Blood Fever]

This has been going on for a long time. We have been lauded for our ability to absorb the pressure of the ball being in our defensive 50 so often, but now we are getting hurt by repeat entries because we can't clear the zone. It's not just something that happened this week. We won the centre clearance 19 to 13 v WCE and yet gave up 60 inside 50s. And that's against a team without a strong midfield. We gave up a load of inside 50s after halftime v PA.

It's not just about our defense, but if the ball is living in our defensive end, we're not scoring. We are not a slow team, but we are seriously slow in defence and it shows. It's something that needs to be remedied.

I'm not suggesting that we drop Reg before Aliir is ready to come into the side, especially against a tall Giant's forward line. It's just something that has to be looked at. Maybe there are other solutions, but I don't think the current situation is working.

Port gave up a load of repeat inside 50s that we should have capitalised on and put a space between them and us. If the forward line hadn't fumbled and dropped marks, it is a totally different game. Forward line the big problem yesterday.