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  • undy
    Fatal error: Allowed memo
    • Mar 2003
    • 1231

    Swans chat Caro on Goodes

    She reports that two documentaries on the appalling treatment of Goodsey are in the pipeline.
    Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way you'll be a mile away and he'll be shoeless.
  • Meg
    Go Swannies!
    Site Admin
    • Aug 2011
    • 4828

    #2
    Thanks for posting this very good article and interesting info re the two docos under way.

    I hope at least one of these explains the background to Adam?s indigenous dance re its development by the youth indigenous football team the Flying Boomerangs, which got lost in the furore. And explains he was mimicking throwing a boomerang (as you would expect in a dance developed by the Flying Boomerangs) NOT a spear as is always reported.

    That Adam Goodes war cry used a boomerang not a spear: choreographer | NITV

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    • Ludwig
      Veterans List
      • Apr 2007
      • 9359

      #3
      There is also an article in the Age about this, but I was shaken a bit when I read this toward to the end of the article:

      .....Goodes will almost certainly be indicted.....


      I said to myself "Oh no!" I was worried that we would be visiting Goodsey in prison.

      Here's the article: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...20-p4zapq.html

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      • barry
        Veterans List
        • Jan 2003
        • 8499

        #4
        One of Gill s great failings. For perspective, some are calling for the rugby CEO to resign after folau posted an anti gay tweet.

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        • stevoswan
          Veterans List
          • Sep 2014
          • 8546

          #5
          Originally posted by undy
          She reports that two documentaries on the appalling treatment of Goodsey are in the pipeline.
          Great article. Caro is spot on.....but don't read the comments, most are just infuriating. The 'casual' racists of Australia just never give up.......

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          • Velour&Ruffles
            Regular in the Side
            • Jun 2006
            • 896

            #6
            Originally posted by barry
            One of Gill s great failings. For perspective, some are calling for the rugby CEO to resign after folau posted an anti gay tweet.
            Gillon the Eunuch and his puppetmaster, the loathsome Fitzpatrick, really revealed their true colours during that period. I can't abide either of them, and will never be able to.
            My opinion is objective truth in its purest form

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            • top40
              Regular in the Side
              • May 2007
              • 933

              #7
              Originally posted by stevoswan
              Great article. Caro is spot on.....but don't read the comments, most are just infuriating. The 'casual' racists of Australia just never give up.......
              Reading the article reminds me of the great anger and disgust I felt at the time. I have zero tolerance for those who suggested that there were other factors associated with the booing. It was pure 100% nasty, disrespectful racism.

              My biggest regret in 2015 was not to stand up to those I knew personally such as some of my Western Australian in-laws, several of whom were attacking Adam and defending the booing. 2015 was personally a very emotional year for me, my beloved wife, (who was also my mother-in-law?s daughter), died in the June. Perhaps it was wise to then keep my counsel and remain diplomatic with the WA members of her family. Emotions were very raw.

              Now in 2018 I cannot no longer sustain such expressions of calm tolerance. If the subject is raised again I will not hold back. Adam Goodes is a great Australian, a worthy Australian of the Year. The AFL as well as the Hawthorn and West Coast Football Clubs should hang their heads in deep shame for their pathetic inaction in 2015. ,

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              • dimelb
                pr. dim-melb; m not f
                • Jun 2003
                • 6889

                #8
                Originally posted by top40
                Reading the article reminds me of the great anger and disgust I felt at the time. I have zero tolerance for those who suggested that there were other factors associated with the booing. It was pure 100% nasty, disrespectful racism.

                My biggest regret in 2015 was not to stand up to those I knew personally such as some of my Western Australian in-laws, several of whom were attacking Adam and defending the booing. 2015 was personally a very emotional year for me, my beloved wife, (who was also my mother-in-law?s daughter), died in the June. Perhaps it was wise to then keep my counsel and remain diplomatic with the WA members of her family. Emotions were very raw.

                Now in 2018 I cannot no longer sustain such expressions of calm tolerance. If the subject is raised again I will not hold back. Adam Goodes is a great Australian, a worthy Australian of the Year. The AFL as well as the Hawthorn and West Coast Football Clubs should hang their heads in deep shame for their pathetic inaction in 2015. ,
                I was very touched by your comments top40, and am inclined to think that reserve was the best approach in your very troubled position. I wish you well for the future.
                He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                • AnnieH
                  RWOs Black Sheep
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 11332

                  #9
                  It still breaks my heart to re-visit this. I'm a little teary reading the article and the comments STILL saying he bought it upon himself.
                  The only thing he did was use his position to say that racism stops with him. Well, it stops with me too, Addie.
                  I'm so ashamed of the way he was treated. I'm still so upset that we weren't able to say our proper and fitting goodbyes.
                  I look forward to the Hall of Fame dinner next year.
                  Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                  Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                  • snajik
                    Senior Player
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 1115

                    #10
                    Originally posted by dimelb
                    I was very touched by your comments top40, and am inclined to think that reserve was the best approach in your very troubled position. I wish you well for the future.
                    I'd like to second that. It's very sad that you have lost your partner, and also sad that it happened during the most shameful year of australian football in my memory. I suppose if we wished to dissect it, football is orchestrated, not exactly real life, but it does have the potential to give you a lift, when going through tough times. That wasn't the case in 2015.
                    It's very hard to live in a studio apartment in San Jose with a man who's learning to play violin. That's what she told the police when she handed them the empty revolver.
                    The Scarlatti Tilt - Richard Brautigan

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                    • chuckie
                      Warming the Bench
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 301

                      #11
                      Adam Goodes documentary

                      Caroline Wilson on the radio on Tuesday mention that there was going to be an Adam Goodes Documentary.
                      Is this old news and I just haven't heard about it and if so does anyone no more about it or is it something new that is going to happen.

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                      • Go Swannies
                        Veterans List
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 5697

                        #12
                        Originally posted by chuckie
                        Caroline Wilson on the radio on Tuesday mention that there was going to be an Adam Goodes Documentary.
                        Is this old news and I just haven't heard about it and if so does anyone no more about it or is it something new that is going to happen.
                        I believe there are two in the works. One is Netflix and the other is Australian - both dealing with the racism in his treatment I understand.

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                        • Swansongster
                          Senior Player
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 1264

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Go Swannies
                          I believe there are two in the works. One is Netflix and the other is Australian - both dealing with the racism in his treatment I understand.
                          It will be good for the public record if these documentaries turn out to be quality pieces of investigative journalism with thoughtful, detailed commentary of the horrors that unfolded. Much like the SBS series "Go Back where you came from", it may change some people's opinions.

                          I'd like to be optimistic. However, I mostly fear it will also unleash a new round of vitriolic vituperation against Adam.

                          I don't know if I can cope with having to hear all those false claims again that the great man is worth booing, that he is a cheat, a stager, a child abuser, an over-rated whinger who abused his undeserved position as Australian of the Year to bring attention to himself through race politics. None of which is supported in any manner by fact.

                          The man is a rock, so, I am sure he can retain peace in the warm, reverential embrace of the Swans family and focus on making a difference through his wonderful work with the GO Foundation. However, as much as I'd love it to be different - by any measure he deserves to be stationed in the highest echelons of the game - I can't see a road back to the broad AFL hearth for him.

                          While there are some non-Swans supporters who are as appalled as anyone at his treatment, haters - and there are plenty of them - are gunna hate for evermore.

                          Unfortunately, even in 10, 20 or 30 years time if/when he pops his head up, some Gopher hunter is going to whack him with a wooden mallet. That's Straya for ya. Someone please tell me I'm wrong.

                          Sorry for the downer tone of this post but this one still hurts me big time.

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                          • AnnieH
                            RWOs Black Sheep
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 11332

                            #14
                            Yes, Swansongster.
                            Yes.
                            Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                            Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                            • liz
                              Veteran
                              Site Admin
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 16744

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Swansongster

                              I'd like to be optimistic. However, I mostly fear it will also unleash a new round of vitriolic vituperation against Adam.
                              .
                              It possibly - nay, probably - will, but have faith. In the longer term his actions will be judged favourably. I am confident of that.

                              One of the arguments often put forward against Goodes was that both Long and Winmar are revered for the stands they took against racism on the football field, so the fact that Goodes wasn't universally applauded must prove that his stand was self-serving or inappropriate. It's actually not the case that Long and Winmar were widely congratulated at the time. I've read comments from both of them that the support they received was guarded and not universal. Most will have heard McAlister's comment about indigenous Australians being welcome in the game so long as they conduct themselves like white people (Nicky Winmar?s stand | National Museum of Australia), and I've heard Long talk about the hate mail that he received after he made his stand against vilification by an opponent. Yet nowadays, even those who still refuse to acknowledge racism is a real issue in the game and in society hold up the two incidents as iconic moments in the game.

                              It will take far longer than you or I wish it would take, but I am confident that eventually the game (meaning the administration, supporters, clubs) will come to realise what an awful blight the whole saga was.

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