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  • Blood Fever
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    • Apr 2007
    • 4050

    #16
    Originally posted by aguy
    What do people think of possibly trying Melican In the forward line. Then bring Aliir into the back line
    Allir to play forward again. Wasn't that bad against bullies and structure worked ok. Leave Melican back. He's a potential gun down there.

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    • Markwebbos
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      • Jul 2016
      • 7186

      #17
      Originally posted by Blood Fever
      Allir to play forward again. Wasn't that bad against bullies and structure worked ok. Leave Melican back. He's a potential gun down there.
      I agree with this. It might actually be a better option for Aliir as I can't see him overtaking Melican as a defender in the near future. AA is a player without a position at the moment. Melican is not.

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      • barry
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        • Jan 2003
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        #18
        Hayward can't seem to gell with Rohan so one has to go. Rohan's first half (mainly matched up with BOG steadsman) means he's out.
        I'd bring allir back in, even if he has to play forward. Jack needs to get out of he middle and play forward pocket.

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        • Ludwig
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          • Apr 2007
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          #19
          Originally posted by Markwebbos
          I agree with this. It might actually be a better option for Aliir as I can't see him overtaking Melican as a defender in the near future. AA is a player without a position at the moment. Melican is not.
          This is because Horse has stubbornly, with the exception of the 2nd half v ADE, insists on playing Mills as the +1 in defence. If we play Rampe in that role, which is his best, then there is a position for Aliir in defence. If he doesn't have a matchup, then he can play on the wing or go forward. He can swap with Sinclair in the ruck and forward positions. It wouldn't hurt if we could be a little less predictable and so easy for the opposition to have all week to work on a game plan to beat us. There certainly are good matchups for tall defenders v Geelong, so why not?

          The other point worth making is that if you have a tall athletic player, like Aliir, you have to try to find a role for him. They are not easy to come by. Especially true since we without Reid for the moment. It would seem a lot more important to develop Aliir as a competent AFL player now than Hayward. Plenty of time to let Hayward physically develop when he will surely be a very valuable player.

          Originally posted by barry
          Hayward can't seem to gell with Rohan so one has to go. Rohan's first half (mainly matched up with BOG steadsman) means he's out.
          I'd bring allir back in, even if he has to play forward. Jack needs to get out of he middle and play forward pocket.
          Check this out barry. Rohan was our highest rated player by the AFL. Hayward our worst. So you want to drop our best player and keep our worst. Jack was playing as Half Forward Lurker, waiting to pounce on an opposition mistake. I don't think he did much else.

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          • Steve
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            • Jan 2003
            • 676

            #20
            Originally posted by liz
            Every time the journalists tried to draw him on structural issues in the forward line, he came back to the failure of the midfielders to win the ball.
            He is right, although I would still say it's a 'structural issue' that as soon as we stop dominating contested ball, we push all our forwards up and then have nothing to kick to whenever we do gain possession (or have Buddy outnumbered 3/1).

            A lot is said about Longmire's rigid Plan A approach, and I assume he was saying 'I told you so' to his assistants when in the press conference he also said something to the effect "we made a change in the last quarter and Adelaide kicked 2 goals".

            Allir was terrible up forward against the Bulldogs, and they rightfully abandoned that experiment - but we desperately need another tall to play forward. If Cameron is half fit I think he has to play - he is a natural forward and would stretch and under-sized Geelong defence, but also can have a go in the ruck to release Sinclair forward.


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            • liz
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              • Jan 2003
              • 16773

              #21
              Originally posted by Steve
              He is right, although I would still say it's a 'structural issue' that as soon as we stop dominating contested ball, we push all our forwards up and then have nothing to kick to whenever we do gain possession (or have Buddy outnumbered 3/1).

              A lot is said about Longmire's rigid Plan A approach, and I assume he was saying 'I told you so' to his assistants when in the press conference he also said something to the effect "we made a change in the last quarter and Adelaide kicked 2 goals".

              Allir was terrible up forward against the Bulldogs, and they rightfully abandoned that experiment - but we desperately need another tall to play forward. If Cameron is half fit I think he has to play - he is a natural forward and would stretch and under-sized Geelong defence, but also can have a go in the ruck to release Sinclair forward.


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              I took Longmire's observation that the Crows kicked two goals once he tried to even up the numbers as a further dig at his midfield, who couldn't get their hands on the ball first. It's hard to come up with a winning structure unless you can win a decent share of the ball at ground level. It wasn't that we weren't dominating contested ball on Friday. We weren't getting close in the first half, and in the second half were still being beaten at centre bounces even if contests around the ground were evened up somewhat.

              I don't think there's any point in playing Cameron unless they think he can put himself in dangerous spots. Otherwise the Geelong defence will just peel off him and effectively have another spare in defence. It's close to impossible to tell from watching NEAFL footy whether Cameron yet has the know-how because the forward line is even less structured than at senior level. It is mostly a case of just get the ball in somehow and see what happens (which is partly why the NEAFL team's goal conversion has been so ordinary in the opening couple of rounds of the season).

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              • barry
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                • Jan 2003
                • 8499

                #22
                Dear Liz, the AFL review of the game doesn't have Rohan in the best list, and he had 3 kicks to half time. Three. Worst of all players and his opponent seedsman was bog.
                I can't explain how he got any afl player rankings at all for that first half. Can u?

                His first goal was from a mark from a miskick off the ground. Lucky because he was hopelessly out of position once again.

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                • Blood Fever
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                  • Apr 2007
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Steve
                  He is right, although I would still say it's a 'structural issue' that as soon as we stop dominating contested ball, we push all our forwards up and then have nothing to kick to whenever we do gain possession (or have Buddy outnumbered 3/1).

                  A lot is said about Longmire's rigid Plan A approach, and I assume he was saying 'I told you so' to his assistants when in the press conference he also said something to the effect "we made a change in the last quarter and Adelaide kicked 2 goals".

                  Allir was terrible up forward against the Bulldogs, and they rightfully abandoned that experiment - but we desperately need another tall to play forward. If Cameron is half fit I think he has to play - he is a natural forward and would stretch and under-sized Geelong defence, but also can have a go in the ruck to release Sinclair forward


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                  ALlir at least got to contests against Bulldogs and brought ball to ground. This didn't happen v crows

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                  • liz
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                    • Jan 2003
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by barry
                    Dear Liz, the AFL review of the game doesn't have Rohan in the best list, and he had 3 kicks to half time. Three. Worst of all players and his opponent seedsman was bog.
                    I can't explain how he got any afl player rankings at all for that first half. Can u?

                    His first goal was from a mark from a miskick off the ground. Lucky because he was hopelessly out of position once again.
                    If the AFL rankings interest you, I suggest you go and do some research on what they measure and how. I have no idea. They are of no interest to me.

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                    • Blood Fever
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                      • Apr 2007
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by barry
                      Hayward can't seem to gell with Rohan so one has to go. Rohan's first half (mainly matched up with BOG steadsman) means he's out.
                      I'd bring allir back in, even if he has to play forward. Jack needs to get out of he middle and play forward pocket.
                      Allir would also give us a bit more unpredictability. Also Rampe is an all Australian one on one defender. Would weaken us significantly if taken away from this role.

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                      • liz
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                        • Jan 2003
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Ludwig

                        The other point worth making is that if you have a tall athletic player, like Aliir, you have to try to find a role for him.
                        Only when they're truly fit, which Aliir hasn't been since the PF of 2016.

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                        • barry
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                          • Jan 2003
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by liz
                          If the AFL rankings interest you, I suggest you go and do some research on what they measure and how. I have no idea. They are of no interest to me.
                          You quoted them, so I'd hope you would explain them to me.

                          It's not Rohan's fault. He is what he is, and under the current circumstances make a hurcluean effort just to get out there. It's the selectors policy that purplexes me.

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                          • MattW
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                            • May 2011
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by liz
                            Only when they're truly fit, which Aliir hasn't been since the PF of 2016.
                            And I still remember the niggling thought, when he was injured that night, that could be a telling blow to our chances the following week. He was playing at such a high level and was that important to our play. If he reaches that level of form again, they'll find a way to accommodate him, with Melican.

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                            • Ludwig
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                              • Apr 2007
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by liz
                              Only when they're truly fit, which Aliir hasn't been since the PF of 2016.
                              He's not in top form, but he should be fit enough given he's had 2 games (I think at 60% & 67% game time), plus another 2 weeks of training leading up to this round. He's got to be in better form than Hannebery and Jack.

                              We're not playing very well. We have to make some changes to try to improve. The only benefit about the way we're playing now is that it won't cost us much to draft Nick Blakey.

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                              • liz
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                                • Jan 2003
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by barry
                                You quoted them, so I'd hope you would explain them to me.

                                It's not Rohan's fault. He is what he is, and under the current circumstances make a hurcluean effort just to get out there. It's the selectors policy that purplexes me.
                                Don't think I did. I pay no attention to them.

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