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  • Ludwig
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2007
    • 9359

    #31
    Originally posted by barry
    You quoted them, so I'd hope you would explain them to me.

    It's not Rohan's fault. He is what he is, and under the current circumstances make a hurcluean effort just to get out there. It's the selectors policy that purplexes me.
    I'm really pleased with myself. I got you to pick on liz for something I did.

    The AFL rankings are all about pressure, pressure, pressure. I'll put it this way: Every time you see Gary Rohan your blood pressure goes up. Right? That counts as a pressure act. By the end of the game he's got your blood boiling, which means he was best on ground.

    A more complete explanation can be found here: Ratings Explained - AFL.com.au

    Btw, hurcluean refers to an effort worthy of Michel Hurley. Most people use Herculean instead. I applaud your originality.

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    • mcs
      Travelling Swannie!!
      • Jul 2007
      • 8166

      #32
      Originally posted by ugg
      The main problem for me still lies in the midfield and I don?t think that can be solved by bringing NEAFL players. Whatever factors that are plaguing Kennedy and Hannebery be they physical or otherwise, let?s hope they overcome them quickly.
      Summed up my view of it all too Ugg. that is where the problem lies, and unless Kennedy and Hanners find a way to pull their socks up and get something back towards their best, we are going to be struggling big time.
      "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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      • barry
        Veterans List
        • Jan 2003
        • 8499

        #33
        My sincerest apologies Liz.

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        • Beerman
          Regular in the Side
          • Oct 2010
          • 823

          #34
          Originally posted by barry
          You quoted them, so I'd hope you would explain them to me.

          It's not Rohan's fault. He is what he is, and under the current circumstances make a herculean effort just to get out there. It's the selectors policy that perplexes me.
          I believe it was Ludwig that quoted the champion data stats rather than Liz. Their exact methodology is not published, but they look at each play, the contribution of the player to that play, and whether it led to a score (for either team), or a turnover, or metres gained etc. It values the contribution of the player in terms of how it affected the scoreboard, rather than just counting disposals or tackles. No metric is going to fully capture a player's contribution, but I don't think it is too bad. The AFL match report had Rampe amongst our best and omitted Heeney, and I don't think that's the greatest assessment either.

          I think you are being a bit harsh on Rohan - he certainly did not have a bad game and I would have had him amongst our better players. He was certainly far from our worst and I would certainly be picking him again next week (if he's available to travel).

          I agree that Melican is a definite in and Hayward is probably the one to go out. He makes an effort but he gets pushed around too easily.

          In terms of the mids, Parker has been very good this year, even if he was down on Friday night. Hannebery gets one more week from me on his "no pre-season" ticket, but I think that is his last ride on that. The problem for him and Kennedy is do you dare to drop them? They are playing badly enough, but if they can switch it on, then they are among the best in the comp. And if you do drop them, who do you bring in? Can someone like Mills get the job done? I'm not sure.

          In the end I think the changes (barring injury) will be:

          In: Melican
          Out: Hayward

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          • barry
            Veterans List
            • Jan 2003
            • 8499

            #35
            I think a player could 'game' the AFL player rankings by only going into contests he knows he can win.
            Fake stats.

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            • Flying South
              Regular in the Side
              • Sep 2013
              • 585

              #36
              Those calling for Hayward to be dropped have short memories. Against West Coast, 2 goals, 21 disposals, 6 cp's, 5 marks and 3 i50. GWS, 2 goals, 18 disposals, 6 cp's, 9 marks and 4 i50. He was universally lauded for those games. Yet after a couple of quieter games he needs to be dropped. Tough selectors.

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              • Beerman
                Regular in the Side
                • Oct 2010
                • 823

                #37
                Originally posted by barry
                I think a player could 'game' the AFL player rankings by only going into contests he knows he can win.
                Fake stats.
                Donald - is that you?

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                • MattW
                  Veterans List
                  • May 2011
                  • 4219

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Flying South
                  Those calling for Hayward to be dropped have short memories. Against West Coast, 2 goals, 21 disposals, 6 cp's, 5 marks and 3 i50. GWS, 2 goals, 18 disposals, 6 cp's, 9 marks and 4 i50. He was universally lauded for those games. Yet after a couple of quieter games he needs to be dropped. Tough selectors.
                  Yep, but it'd also be harsh on Marsh to miss after being one of our best in a loss, and given retaining Marsh lets Mills move into the midfield. (And if not Marsh or Hayward, then who?)

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                  • Ludwig
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 9359

                    #39
                    Originally posted by barry
                    My sincerest apologies Ludwig.
                    Edited for accuracy.

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                    • crackedactor
                      Regular in the Side
                      • May 2012
                      • 919

                      #40
                      Originally posted by barry
                      Dear Liz, the AFL review of the game doesn't have Rohan in the best list, and he had 3 kicks to half time. Three. Worst of all players and his opponent seedsman was bog.
                      I can't explain how he got any afl player rankings at all for that first half. Can u?

                      His first goal was from a mark from a miskick off the ground. Lucky because he was hopelessly out of position once again.
                      Yes he has no idea of positioning himself. That's why he only plays decent games at the SCG, small ground. When he gets to a big ground such as MCG, he has no idea where he should be.


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                      • Steve
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 676

                        #41
                        Changes for Round 6 v Geelong

                        Originally posted by liz
                        I took Longmire's observation that the Crows kicked two goals once he tried to even up the numbers as a further dig at his midfield, who couldn't get their hands on the ball first.
                        I took it as more of a "that's why I don't like making changes, it just stuffs up other things I have in place" comment.

                        Which I also partially understand - and the structuring up for a midfield to lose their contests is a bit like placing the field for bad bowling in cricket. But in that cricket scenario you'd switch your bowlers around and try something different if they were all struggling to even land it on the pitch all day.

                        Ultimately, if we're smashing teams through the midfield, we could isolate Nick Smith up forward and still kick a winning score.

                        My main concern with Cameron is the ruck - he really only played forward in the WAFL, and a big part of bringing him in now would be to release Sinclair forward.



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                        • jono2707
                          Goes up to 11
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 3326

                          #42
                          We need another forward for the sake of structure and to help free Buddy up. If it's not Aliir, it'll have to be Cameron.

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                          • Markwebbos
                            Veterans List
                            • Jul 2016
                            • 7186

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Steve
                            My main concern with Cameron is the ruck - he really only played forward in the WAFL, and a big part of bringing him in now would be to release Sinclair forward.
                            Reid was playing second tall without taking any ruck contests. If Cameron could play that role I?d take it, and leave Sinkers / Towers in the ruck

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                            • 707
                              Veterans List
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 6204

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Flying South
                              Those calling for Hayward to be dropped have short memories. Against West Coast, 2 goals, 21 disposals, 6 cp's, 5 marks and 3 i50. GWS, 2 goals, 18 disposals, 6 cp's, 9 marks and 4 i50. He was universally lauded for those games. Yet after a couple of quieter games he needs to be dropped. Tough selectors.
                              Hayward was second only to Heeney in pressure acts Friday night.

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                              • caj23
                                Senior Player
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 2462

                                #45
                                Originally posted by liz
                                Only when they're truly fit, which Aliir hasn't been since the PF of 2016.
                                Fitness doesn't seem to be a criteria that the MC hold in high regard when selecting Swans teams

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