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  • Old S.M.Blood
    Pushing for Selection
    • Nov 2008
    • 89

    Rules and finals reminiscences (split from R9 changes thread)

    Umpires to keep a close eye on blocking this weekend. Channel 7 Melb. Seems Clarkson had a bit of a winge to the powers that be at the AFL. I hope it comes back to bite him . The hawks are one of the worst at it
  • CureTheSane
    Carpe Noctem
    • Jan 2003
    • 5032

    #2
    If 1%ers made that big a difference there would be a stat for them.

    Which reminds me, we have an inside 50 stat, why not an outside 50 stat?
    The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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    • liz
      Veteran
      Site Admin
      • Jan 2003
      • 16761

      #3
      There is an "outside 50 stat" - it's called "rebounds from 50".

      1%er stats are also recorded.

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      • barry
        Veterans List
        • Jan 2003
        • 8499

        #4
        Originally posted by CureTheSane
        If 1%ers made that big a difference there would be a stat for them.
        If 1%ers made twice as much difference they'd be called 2%ers.

        - - - Updated - - -

        What I personally hate more is the blocking the man on the mark.

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        • 707
          Veterans List
          • Aug 2009
          • 6204

          #5
          Originally posted by barry
          If 1%ers made twice as much difference they'd be called 2%ers.

          - - - Updated - - -

          What I personally hate more is the blocking the man on the mark.
          Why is that allowed, why not just outlaw it? Oh that's right, Hawthorn started it!

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          • ScottH
            It's Goodes to cheer!!
            • Sep 2003
            • 23665

            #6
            Originally posted by barry
            What I personally hate more is the blocking the man on the mark.
            100% Agree.

            This has annoyed me for many years now.
            We protect the player kicking the ball with a zone, why not the player standing the mark as well.

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            • The Runner
              Regular in the Side
              • May 2017
              • 718

              #7
              Originally posted by 707
              Why is that allowed, why not just outlaw it? Oh that's right, Hawthorn started it!
              We may not like it, but it is within the laws of the game at the moment. If we think it is having an impact on games, there are things that can be done to reduce its impact..
              i) where is the 2nd players opponent? He could be there to minimise the blocks impact. Some clubs do this, we don't seem to
              ii) work the mark better. Be more aware of the potential block. If the 2nd player is within a meter of you, move over the mark a bit. If a player is in the vicinity, cross the mark as they create a buffer for you. Once play on is called, charge the player with the ball instead of getting caught in to going backwards to the 2nd player.

              Collingwood created it, Hawthorn perfected it.

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              • jono2707
                Goes up to 11
                • Oct 2007
                • 3326

                #8
                Originally posted by 707
                Why is that allowed, why not just outlaw it? Oh that's right, Hawthorn started it!
                Collingwood were blocking the man on the mark well before Hawthorn were.

                And I agree - it should be outlawed. Even we do it and it's a blight on the game.

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                • liz
                  Veteran
                  Site Admin
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 16761

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jono2707
                  Collingwood were blocking the man on the mark well before Hawthorn were.

                  And I agree - it should be outlawed. Even we do it and it's a blight on the game.
                  I don't even think Collingwood can be credited with coming up with the idea. I'm sure all of us remember the infamous free kick paid against Leo Barry late in the 2005 Qualifying Final when he was standing the mark and a Wiggle came in and interfered with him. (To this day I don't understand why that was a free against Barry - I think the umpire must have just made a blue).

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                  • dejavoodoo44
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2015
                    • 8581

                    #10
                    Originally posted by liz
                    I don't even think Collingwood can be credited with coming up with the idea. I'm sure all of us remember the infamous free kick paid against Leo Barry late in the 2005 Qualifying Final when he was standing the mark and a Wiggle came in and interfered with him. (To this day I don't understand why that was a free against Barry - I think the umpire must have just made a blue).
                    Maybe the umpire was affected by the psychoactive fumes coming off Ben Cousins?

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                    • Sandridge
                      Outer wing, Lake Oval
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 2065

                      #11
                      Originally posted by liz
                      I don't even think Collingwood can be credited with coming up with the idea. I'm sure all of us remember the infamous free kick paid against Leo Barry late in the 2005 Qualifying Final when he was standing the mark and a Wiggle came in and interfered with him. (To this day I don't understand why that was a free against Barry - I think the umpire must have just made a blue).
                      The quality is very poor but this is a video of what happened with the Leo Barry free kick in the 2005 Qualifying Final.

                      Syndey vs West Coast- Stenglien free kick - YouTube

                      Leo was either running off the ground or making a lead and WCE Stenglein steps off the mark to bump him.
                      Worst umpiring decision I've ever seen!
                      Cost us the match! Would've cost a lesser team the Premiership!

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                      • liz
                        Veteran
                        Site Admin
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 16761

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Sandridge
                        The quality is very poor but this is a video of what happened with the Leo Barry free kick in the 2005 Qualifying Final.

                        Syndey vs West Coast- Stenglien free kick - YouTube

                        Leo was either running off the ground or making a lead and WCE Stenglein steps off the mark to bump him.
                        Worst umpiring decision I've ever seen!
                        Cost us the match! Would've cost a lesser team the Premiership!
                        So when I wrote "I'm sure all of us remember", and provided it as an example of West Coast shepherding the mark, I was a bit ga-ga as I clearly remembered very few of the details (other than it was outrageous and against Leo Barry). Still, it gave me (and maybe others) an opportunity to relive one of the more baffling decisions in the history of Swans games. Still, I wouldn't change a single thing about that wonderful 2005 finals series.

                        Thanks for hunting out some video footage.

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                        • Sandridge
                          Outer wing, Lake Oval
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 2065

                          #13
                          Originally posted by liz
                          So when I wrote "I'm sure all of us remember", and provided it as an example of West Coast shepherding the mark, I was a bit ga-ga as I clearly remembered very few of the details (other than it was outrageous and against Leo Barry). Still, it gave me (and maybe others) an opportunity to relive one of the more baffling decisions in the history of Swans games. Still, I wouldn't change a single thing about that wonderful 2005 finals series.

                          Thanks for hunting out some video footage.
                          Very true Liz! Although I still get angry thinking about that decision, it does help enhance the "wonder" of the 2005 Premiership!
                          Robbed in the Qualifying Final.
                          Back from the dead thanks to Nick Davis in the Semi.
                          An underdog/come from behind win in the Preliminary Final.
                          And a magnificent win in a classic Grand Final! (Clinched by a Leo Barry screamer!!)

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                          • stevoswan
                            Veterans List
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 8548

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Sandridge
                            Very true Liz! Although I still get angry thinking about that decision, it does help enhance the "wonder" of the 2005 Premiership!
                            Robbed in the Qualifying Final.
                            Back from the dead thanks to Nick Davis in the Semi.
                            An underdog/come from behind win in the Preliminary Final.
                            And a magnificent win in a classic Grand Final! (Clinched by a Leo Barry screamer!!)
                            That's karma.......but where has karma gone these days......because we are owed!!!!

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                            • Blood Fever
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 4044

                              #15
                              Originally posted by liz
                              So when I wrote "I'm sure all of us remember", and provided it as an example of West Coast shepherding the mark, I was a bit ga-ga as I clearly remembered very few of the details (other than it was outrageous and against Leo Barry). Still, it gave me (and maybe others) an opportunity to relive one of the more baffling decisions in the history of Swans games. Still, I wouldn't change a single thing about that wonderful 2005 finals series.

                              Thanks for hunting out some video footage.
                              Goodes was tripped near goal late in that game. McInerney was the ump on both occasions. Still going around. I still get a bit angry when I see him. Not that I hold a grudge or anything!

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