An appeal for Eddie

[stevoswan]

Even today I am amazed how soft the AFL and the media was on Eddie. Roseanne makes a monkey comment and they attack her like a group of vultures. Eddie calls Goodsey King Kong and he gets away Scot free. Identical comments and one is a racist and the other is just a commentator telling a joke!!


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I don't miss Roseanne and she got what she deserved.....and wish I could say the same about Eddie. But this is Australia......

[dimelb]

Just to be clear, the Eddie in the thread title is Eddie Betts. Different from Eddie McG in several directions!

[CureTheSane]

The article was written from a position of white privilege.
Unless you have personally been racially vilified, you have personally been told to "go back to where you come from", have personally been told that because you are brown you are not good enough, you are talking directly from your arse.

Rash generalisation that implies that if you are white (and this apparently is connected at the hip to privilege) then you are not worthy of having a comment.

[CureTheSane]

Just to be clear, the Eddie in the thread title is Eddie Betts. Different from Eddie McG in several directions!

On a side note with regards to McGuire, it's interesting how quickly things can and have changed.
Australia certainly considers itself to be more racially enlightened than America.
Yet if you look at the Roseanne comment and the result of her comment you would say that Eddie completely dodged a bullet.
I wonder what the reaction would be (both public and as a retaliation) if he came out with something like that today?

[Bloods05]

Rash generalisation that implies that if you are white (and this apparently is connected at the hip to privilege) then you are not worthy of having a comment.

Not really. Annie is not saying Cherny is "not worthy of making a comment", only that his comment carries very little weight because it is not informed by experience. Annie takes this further than I would, but there is a point to be made. What you seem to be suggesting - and I may be wrong here, please correct me if I am - is that all opinions are equally valid and carry equal weight. They aren't. Some draw on evidence, experience and reason. Others, to paraphrase Annie's colourful words, are pulled directly out of people's arses.

[stevoswan]

Rash generalisation that implies that if you are white (and this apparently is connected at the hip to privilege) then you are not worthy of having a comment.

Only the political right claim this.....pathetically and desperately. No, not all white people are privileged but one thing is for sure, a person of colour is far more qualified to give an opinion on the 'non-white' experience...... The 'privilege' you refer to is actually......not being subjected to racism, bigotry, suspicion, lack of opportunity, stereotyping and being treated differently. I, as a non indigenous person, have never had to experience any of this undeserved burden in my life.....and I feel lucky, even privileged......but also slightly ashamed and very ready to listen.

[CureTheSane]

Not really. Annie is not saying Cherny is "not worthy of making a comment", only that his comment carries very little weight because it is not informed by experience. Annie takes this further than I would, but there is a point to be made. What you seem to be suggesting - and I may be wrong here, please correct me if I am - is that all opinions are equally valid and carry equal weight. They aren't. Some draw on evidence, experience and reason. Others, to paraphrase Annie's colourful words, are pulled directly out of people's arses.

Of course. And different experiences allow for different angles on the issue.
There is also a morality argument here as well ie: a large proportion of the population is well on board with what is trying to be achieved and the opinions from these people should not be diminished due to lack of direct experience with the particular issue.

There are many arguments that I don't agree with, but that doesn't completely make them invalid.
Without these arguments (that most won't agree with) there IS no argument to be had.
There needs to be protagonists to create an issue and only after that can arguments be had and changes perhaps made.

But I've said it before. This issue, and many others like it, are generational.
I am constantly surprised at how my kids' generation is so different with regard to all forms of prejudice, inclusion and how these issues are so vastly lessened amongst them.

[CureTheSane]

Only the political right claim this.....pathetically and desperately. No, not all white people are privileged but one thing is for sure, a person of colour is far more qualified to give an opinion on the 'non-white' experience...... The 'privilege' you refer to is actually......not being subjected to racism, bigotry, suspicion, lack of opportunity, stereotyping and being treated differently. I, as a non indigenous person, have never had to experience any of this undeserved burden in my life.....and I feel lucky, even privileged......but also slightly ashamed and very ready to listen.

Rubbish.
Go down to some housing commission flats and see how those in lower socio-economic categories are treated.
I fully understand the argument that you and others are trying to make, but you are saying that because of my skin colour I am able to come close to understanding the issues at hand that are faced by others.
Apparently my moral compass is locked in place, unable to move towards the 100% required to make a comment, because of my skin colour?

[S.S. Bleeder]

Even today I am amazed how soft the AFL and the media was on Eddie. Roseanne makes a monkey comment and they attack her like a group of vultures. Eddie calls Goodsey King Kong and he gets away Scot free. Identical comments and one is a racist and the other is just a commentator telling a joke!!


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That's because Eddie is left wing whilst Rosie is right wing. That's how the overly politically correct and biased media works in the world these days.

It was actually quite embarrassing how Roseanne was treated. She, along with her fellow cast gets the sack for her making a monkey reference in a tweet whilst the rest of Hollywood says "@@@@ Trump" verbally and they get a pat on the back.

The political world is so unreasonably balanced.

[S.S. Bleeder]

Rubbish.
Go down to some housing commission flats and see how those in lower socio-economic categories are treated.
I fully understand the argument that you and others are trying to make, but you are saying that because of my skin colour I am able to come close to understanding the issues at hand that are faced by others.
Apparently my moral compass is locked in place, unable to move towards the 100% required to make a comment, because of my skin colour?

Right on sister!

I'm sick to death of ignorant and biased twits forcing their beliefs on the population when they haven't got the personal experience of the situation.

I believe I'm extremely qualified to make a highly qualified opinion on this but as usual, the "lefty" commentators will disregard it as being some sort of bias or racism because it doesn't agree with their "white basher" opinions;
+ I have indigenous heritage, along with European and British heritage.
+ I have previously worked in law enforcement in heavily indigenous areas for over a decade.
+ I have subsequently worked in an industry which gave financial advice to "under-privileged" people in an area with a high indigenous population.

The issue that many of the indigenous population have (excluding the very few in remote areas) is no different to what the general population has. However, they are given significantly more funding, resources and encouragement to gain an education and experience than the rest of the population.

The trouble is that over the last few generations they have become reliant on social welfare. Large numbers of them have no drive because the social security system gives them everything they need. Why should they seek to improve themselves when they have this "money for doing nothing"?

Their families don't hold the same standards that most families would uphold. In my mixed race family, surviving on social welfare would have been frowned upon, whereas this is considered the norm in many indigenous families.

We need to break the cycle of indigenous people relying on welfare. Bob Hawke decided to transfer some of the fiscal responsibility onto the indigenous leaders. This was a huge failure. The Federal Government handed billions to the Aboriginal Co-ops and they blew it. They would buy brand new Land Cruisers and write them off in 12 months, they would hold huge parties/pissups on the co-ops accounts, they would burn down houses repossessed from white people, they would steal funds from the co-op accounts and get away with it. Why did they get away with this? Because they were indigenous.

The old analogy of "give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, teach a man how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime" has never been so true. Rather than throwing money at the indigenous people in order to shut them up and keep them happy we need transfer this money into education and changing of their mindset.

[Bloods05]

Right on sister!

I'm sick to death of ignorant and biased twits forcing their beliefs on the population when they haven't got the personal experience of the situation.

I believe I'm extremely qualified to make a highly qualified opinion on this but as usual, the "lefty" commentators will disregard it as being some sort of bias or racism because it doesn't agree with their "white basher" opinions;
+ I have indigenous heritage, along with European and British heritage.
+ I have previously worked in law enforcement in heavily indigenous areas for over a decade.
+ I have subsequently worked in an industry which gave financial advice to "under-privileged" people in an area with a high indigenous population.

The issue that many of the indigenous population have (excluding the very few in remote areas) is no different to what the general population has. However, they are given significantly more funding, resources and encouragement to gain an education and experience than the rest of the population.

The trouble is that over the last few generations they have become reliant on social welfare. Large numbers of them have no drive because the social security system gives them everything they need. Why should they seek to improve themselves when they have this "money for doing nothing"?

Their families don't hold the same standards that most families would uphold. In my mixed race family, surviving on social welfare would have been frowned upon, whereas this is considered the norm in many indigenous families.

We need to break the cycle of indigenous people relying on welfare. Bob Hawke decided to transfer some of the fiscal responsibility onto the indigenous leaders. This was a huge failure. The Federal Government handed billions to the Aboriginal Co-ops and they blew it. They would buy brand new Land Cruisers and write them off in 12 months, they would hold huge parties/pissups on the co-ops accounts, they would burn down houses repossessed from white people, they would steal funds from the co-op accounts and get away with it. Why did they get away with this? Because they were indigenous.

The old analogy of "give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, teach a man how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime" has never been so true. Rather than throwing money at the indigenous people in order to shut them up and keep them happy we need transfer this money into education and changing of their mindset.

Knew it was coming. Oh dear, where does one start? Discretion dictates that one had better not.

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That's because Eddie is left wing whilst Rosie is right wing. That's how the overly politically correct and biased media works in the world these days.

It was actually quite embarrassing how Roseanne was treated. She, along with her fellow cast gets the sack for her making a monkey reference in a tweet whilst the rest of Hollywood says "@@@@ Trump" verbally and they get a pat on the back.

The political world is so unreasonably balanced.

Eddie is left-wing, folks. Just let that sink in.

[0918330512]

Could this have got any more off topic?

Eddie McGuire ruins everything

[CureTheSane]

Right, left, whatever.
None of that for me.

Also, the way Roseanne was treated was probably very appropriate.
Perhaps Eddie got off pretty easy.

My comments are non-partisan.
Putting labels or a political spin on things is a part of the problem.

[S.S. Bleeder]

Knew it was coming. Oh dear, where does one start? Discretion dictates that one had better not.
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Eddie is left-wing, folks. Just let that sink in.

Great contribution as usual bloods05. Great points made.

[stevoswan]

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