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  • ugg
    Can you feel it?
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 15961

    Swans chat 2005 Grand Final revisited

    The Don’t Argue podcast this week revisited the 2005 premiership with guests Leo Barry, Ben Mathews and Ashley Hansen

    Available on iTunes or your favourite podcast app. Also available link below

    2005 Grand Final Special with Leo Barry, Ben Mathews & Ash Hansen - Ep 47 - Don't Argue AFL Podcast - Omny.fm

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  • S.S. Bleeder
    Senior Player
    • Sep 2014
    • 2165

    #2
    Originally posted by ugg
    The Don’t Argue podcast this week revisited the 2005 premiership with guests Leo Barry, Ben Mathews and Ashley Hansen

    Available on iTunes or your favourite podcast app. Also available link below

    2005 Grand Final Special with Leo Barry, Ben Mathews & Ash Hansen - Ep 47 - Don't Argue AFL Podcast - Omny.fm

    Note: Podcast is sponsored by a betting company.
    Special memories. I was down the punt road end and had trouble seeing what was going on for the last few minutes. There was a very important, slight hold but legal, by Fosdike in the last minute to slow down an Eagle running towards a loose ball in thew goal square. Barry also had a couple of special moments other than THAT last mark.

    Classic Last Two Mins: 2005 Grand Final - AFL.com.au

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    • RogueSwan
      McVeigh for Brownlow
      • Apr 2003
      • 4602

      #3
      What a great insight. I did have trouble distinguishing who voice was who's to start with though.
      "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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      • neilfws
        Senior Player
        • Aug 2009
        • 1818

        #4
        I've been revisiting 2005 too, with some stats friends.

        Fascinating trivia: how many times in V/AFL history would you guess that the same 22 players have played together on a team?

        Answer: only 5, twice. Five games for Adelaide in 2016, and five games for Sydney in 2005. The Sydney games were rounds 19-22 and the QF. That run was broken when Bevan came in for Vogels.

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        • liz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16733

          #5
          Originally posted by neilfws
          I've been revisiting 2005 too, with some stats friends.

          Fascinating trivia: how many times in V/AFL history would you guess that the same 22 players have played together on a team?

          Answer: only 5, twice. Five games for Adelaide in 2016, and five games for Sydney in 2005. The Sydney games were rounds 19-22 and the QF. That run was broken when Bevan came in for Vogels.
          Presumably you mean the longest streak of an unchanged side? Many teams go unchanged from week to week, and hence are instances of the same 22 players playing together on the same team.

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          • ugg
            Can you feel it?
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            • Jan 2003
            • 15961

            #6
            The insights by Barry and Mathews were enjoyable, but the one comment that stuck in my head came from Hansen. He said that he used the image of Tadhg Kennelly's jig on the dais as motivation in the following pre-season - to push that little bit more, to stick to a cleaner diet etc.
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            • ScottH
              It's Goodes to cheer!!
              • Sep 2003
              • 23665

              #7
              Originally posted by ugg
              The insights by Barry and Mathews were enjoyable, but the one comment that stuck in my head came from Hansen. He said that he used the image of Tadhg Kennelly's jig on the dais as motivation in the following pre-season - to push that little bit more, to stick to a cleaner diet etc.
              Pity some of his team mates didn't have a cleaner diet that year as well.

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              • neilfws
                Senior Player
                • Aug 2009
                • 1818

                #8
                Originally posted by liz
                Presumably you mean the longest streak of an unchanged side? Many teams go unchanged from week to week, and hence are instances of the same 22 players playing together on the same team.
                No, 5 is the most instances of the same 22 in a team, regardless of whether it was a continuous streak or not. Confirmed by 2 of us, so it must be true

                Team mates playing together

                Seems low at first, but when you consider that most teams pick up at least one injury per week, it is difficult to get the same 22 together over extended periods of time.

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                • Industrial Fan
                  Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 3317

                  #9
                  That seems outrageously low! Are there parameters on that, ie within the same season?
                  He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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                  • Industrial Fan
                    Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 3317

                    #10
                    Looking at the stats seems like all time most. I would never have guessed anything like 5
                    He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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                    • neilfws
                      Senior Player
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 1818

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Industrial Fan
                      That seems outrageously low! Are there parameters on that, ie within the same season?
                      As it happens, the two instances of 5 were in the same seasons (2005, 2016). But that was not a limitation.

                      This is a great stat isn't it, it's very counter-intuitive and makes people say "that can't be right" but we're pretty certain it is.

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                      • dejavoodoo44
                        Veterans List
                        • Apr 2015
                        • 8490

                        #12
                        Originally posted by neilfws
                        As it happens, the two instances of 5 were in the same seasons (2005, 2016). But that was not a limitation.

                        This is a great stat isn't it, it's very counter-intuitive and makes people say "that can't be right" but we're pretty certain it is.
                        Yes, a very interesting stat. And I can probably see why it's right.
                        With the same team occurring in the same season, it's highly unlikely that a same side would run out next season. For instance, if a team plays 22 games in a season, and for argument sake, 18 of those teams contained a player who was later traded, and the other four line ups contained a player who then retired; then there is zero chance of the same line up running out next season.
                        And since it's a while since I've done much probability, perhaps you'd like to refresh my understanding. Just using a list number of 40, would the probability of randomly selecting the same side in two different weeks be: (22/40) x (21/39) x (20/38)....etc.... x (1/19)?? Which eventually gives a tiny chance (if that's the correct calculation).
                        While I know that teams aren't selected randomly, it does help to suggest why the stat is correct.

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                        • Bill Posters
                          Warming the Bench
                          • Sep 2014
                          • 259

                          #13
                          Great memories. I was at the slug and lettuce in Fulham, London. It was about 5 am and the pub was packed full of passionate swans and eagles fans. My mate from Manchester couldn't believe there were no fights. Very proud of our sport and how we can mingle peacefully, unlike the English premier league.

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                          • Sandridge
                            Outer wing, Lake Oval
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 2049

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Bill Posters
                            Great memories. I was at the slug and lettuce in Fulham, London. It was about 5 am and the pub was packed full of passionate swans and eagles fans. My mate from Manchester couldn't believe there were no fights. Very proud of our sport and how we can mingle peacefully, unlike the English premier league.
                            My ex-wife is English and a big soccer fan. She came over to Australia app. 30 years ago. She couldn't believe that supporters of opposing AFL teams would sit next to each other at games, travel to the game on the same train, etc.

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                            • Markwebbos
                              Veterans List
                              • Jul 2016
                              • 7186

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Sandridge
                              My ex-wife is English and a big soccer fan. She came over to Australia app. 30 years ago. She couldn't believe that supporters of opposing AFL teams would sit next to each other at games, travel to the game on the same train, etc.
                              It still amazes me

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