2018 Season....Still Proud of the Swans!!!!(Swans' season review)

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  • chalbilto
    Senior Player
    • Oct 2007
    • 1139

    #31
    Just out of curiosity how would you have voted?

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    • MattW
      Veterans List
      • May 2011
      • 4193

      #32
      Originally posted by chalbilto
      That "highlighted" is how I voted.
      Same, except Parker rather than Lloyd.

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      • Kafka's Ghost
        Regular in the Side
        • Sep 2017
        • 899

        #33
        Originally posted by chalbilto
        Just out of curiosity how would you have voted?
        I would have voted the same, except Sinclair ahead of Heeney, who wasn’t quite right after his concussion. For all the criticism of the coaches, not many coaching panels would have got such an inexperienced and at times injury bedeviled team to the finals, let alone challenge for a top four position. It was clear that some of our young guys were cooked in the latter part of the season. Heeney needed a month off in his first year, remember.

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        • Go Swannies
          Veterans List
          • Sep 2003
          • 5697

          #34
          I was in New York so still haven't seen the GWS final. But the season ended as I expected. I came home after our loss to the Cats at the SCG saying "that was a waste of an evening watching two teams that aren't going to do much in finals" - and so it proved. Injuries are behind the greatest highlights for me - watching Ronke andMcCartin step up, for a start. But didn't we all know that the kids would get tired and that would be shown up in the furnace of finals?

          We've got some good games into some up and comers. If we can keep a team on the field - and maybe recruit a surprise or two - we could have a great season next year. There were definitely more highlights than down times this season (excluding the tragedies of AJ and Rohan). And I'd still pay my membership simply to watch Buddy play - image if he can train over the next 12 months!

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          • barry
            Veterans List
            • Jan 2003
            • 8499

            #35
            i think with collingwood and WC making the grand final and assumably one will win it, it proves that you dont need a great list to win a flag these days. A lot of people would have had pies and eagles missing the 8 at the start of the year.
            You just need things to gell at the right time.

            Therefore, no point blaming the list. We didnt gell, and therefore didnt get close this year. And the only conclusion we can make is that we didnt make the most of our opportunities, so its a fail'.

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            • Markwebbos
              Veterans List
              • Jul 2016
              • 7186

              #36
              Collingwood have a very talented and deep midfield, which they rotate forward, but beset by injuries, particularly in defence. I think the list they are playing with ATM is pretty strong. Didn’t Champion data rate them #1 at the start of the year.

              West Coast used to have a poor midfield but have really stepped up this year. I believe under the influence of Sam Mitchell. They are now getting the best out of players like Jetta, Redden, Sheed etc.

              Our year is definitely a fail. I think we need to improve across the board: list, skills, coaching, gameplan, fitness.

              In the PFs both coaches significantly out-coached their opponents. Collingwood’s tactics in particular were genius.

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              • CureTheSane
                Carpe Noctem
                • Jan 2003
                • 5032

                #37
                Hard to understand how making the finals is a fail.
                Take into account injuries, retirements etc and who knows what could have been.
                Same for all clubs of course, but for me, you make the finals and season = a win regardless.
                The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                • Markwebbos
                  Veterans List
                  • Jul 2016
                  • 7186

                  #38
                  Originally posted by CureTheSane
                  Hard to understand how making the finals is a fail.
                  Take into account injuries, retirements etc and who knows what could have been.
                  Same for all clubs of course, but for me, you make the finals and season = a win regardless.
                  If your goal is to win a premiership, then you have to treat not winning one as a fail. This year we never looking like winning one. It felt like we were making up the numbers all year long.

                  Or to put it another way - 2018 was a fail because, for whatever reason, we weren't good enough to be a genuine contender. That's a lower standard we didn't meet.

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                  • CureTheSane
                    Carpe Noctem
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 5032

                    #39
                    If your goal is to win a premiership every year, your football life will be very sad.

                    Everyone wants to win a flag, but it isn't going to happen for 17 teams every year.
                    Saying that the team that wins the flag is the only successful team is short sighted and to some degree elitist.

                    Members are at an all time high = success
                    Swans not collapsing at the end of the season after some poor games = success
                    Swans winning percentage despite losing a key forward, ruckman and ruck/forward and other key players during the year = success
                    The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                    • stevoswan
                      Veterans List
                      • Sep 2014
                      • 8543

                      #40
                      Two posts....two different conclusions. Which one is the more realistic? Here's my 'two cents worth'.....

                      Originally posted by Markwebbos
                      If your goal is to win a premiership, then you have to treat not winning one as a fail. This year we never looking like winning one. It felt like we were making up the numbers all year long.

                      Or to put it another way - 2018 was a fail because, for whatever reason, we weren't good enough to be a genuine contender. That's a lower standard we didn't meet.
                      A glass half empty view and displays a lack of grip on the realities of what constitutes success and largely ignores this seasons adversities.

                      Originally posted by CureTheSane
                      If your goal is to win a premiership every year, your football life will be very sad.

                      Everyone wants to win a flag, but it isn't going to happen for 17 teams every year.
                      Saying that the team that wins the flag is the only successful team is short sighted and to some degree elitist.

                      Members are at an all time high = success
                      Swans not collapsing at the end of the season after some poor games = success
                      Swans winning percentage despite losing a key forward, ruckman and ruck/forward and other key players during the year = success
                      A glass half full view which displays a better grip on the realities of what constitutes success and rightly considers this seasons adversities.....

                      The view that concludes that a clubs season is a failure just because it didn't win the premiership is elitist in the extreme......and potentially damaging to the clubs chances of future success because in the face of perceived 'failure', blame games begin and kneejerk decisions are made......potentially very destructive to a clubs fabric.

                      The 'end of season review' will obviously identify areas of failure (game plan, possibly fitness and conditioning, etc) and work on them but I'm sure our club will push on with a sensible and confident 'glass half full' approach.....which hopefully makes our clubs 'glass' (trophy cabinet) much 'fuller'.
                      Last edited by stevoswan; 26 September 2018, 02:02 PM.

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                      • AnnieH
                        RWOs Black Sheep
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 11332

                        #41
                        Considering that I wrote the team off in July (and was making actual "plans" for September), I think we did a great job this year.
                        I think general "fitness" was our problem this year. Too many injured players playing on half-full tanks. IMO, I think a week of running up and down the sand dunes at Kurnell at the height of summer will greatly go towards our strength conditioning.. something we need badly. It seems to have worked in the past. Our boys are falling apart at the seams.
                        Other than that... we need to get rid of the dead wood, which could very well happen with such an exciting trade period coming up.
                        Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                        Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                        • stevoswan
                          Veterans List
                          • Sep 2014
                          • 8543

                          #42
                          Originally posted by AnnieH
                          Considering that I wrote the team off in July (and was making actual "plans" for September), I think we did a great job this year.
                          I think general "fitness" was our problem this year. Too many injured players playing on half-full tanks. IMO, I think a week of running up and down the sand dunes at Kurnell at the height of summer will greatly go towards our strength conditioning.. something we need badly. It seems to have worked in the past. Our boys are falling apart at the seams.
                          Other than that... we need to get rid of the dead wood, which could very well happen with such an exciting trade period coming up.
                          I agree that our fitness looked suspect during the season, it seemed to effect our will to contest 'to the death' in some matches this season. Last season, at 0-6, we did it week in, week out for the rest of the season then smashed Essendon in the first final. We showed some mental and physical toughness this year after losing to GC and Essendon but had nothing left in the tank for the first final.
                          Strength and fitness conditioning should definitely be a priority in the off season.....and a renewed/refreshed game plan.....and yes, extensive deadwood removal.

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                          • Nico
                            Veterans List
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 11328

                            #43
                            On the fitness thing; once key players are carrying injuries regularly it comes to a tipping point. I am sure Kennedy carried some sort of injury for most of the season as did Buddy. Add the fatigue factor of young players and the team's ability to see out games is heightened. I reckon we did darn well under the circumstances. One of the reasons Collingwood has kicked on late in the season has been their ability to have few changes.
                            http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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