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  • bloodspirit
    Clubman
    • Apr 2015
    • 4448

    #16
    10. Cunningham
    9. Sinclair
    8. Macca
    7. Hewett
    6. Rampe
    5. Kennedy
    4. Heeney
    3. Franklin
    2. Parker
    1. Lloyd
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    • bloodspirit
      Clubman
      • Apr 2015
      • 4448

      #17
      Just before they showed highlights of the last three rounds and then announced top 3 in Bobby Skilton, Horse presented a gift to AJ. Horse said some nice things about AJ and gave him a decent send off. What made an impression:

      1. AJ had his ARM in a sling

      2. AJ is clearly still really focused on trying to play AFL (Adam Spencer, compering, conspicuously avoided getting into this).

      Clearly point 1 is not going to help with point 2 given that AJ is still recovering from his 6th knee reco.

      - - - Updated - - -

      Originally posted by liz

      So if I have to predict an order for this evening it would be

      1 Lloyd
      2 Parker
      3 Hewett
      4 Sinclair
      5 Rampe
      6 Franklin
      7 Kennedy
      8 Heeney
      9 McVeigh
      10 Cunningham
      Outstanding effort! Picked top 10 correctly albeit not perfectly in order. Think you may be right about players' player too - all of them referencing Buddy as the best in the comp.
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      • MattW
        Veterans List
        • May 2011
        • 4218

        #18
        Same top 3 as last year. Parker and Franklin are our best players; Lloyd our most consistent. Buddy would have romped home had he missed fewer games. Great to see him win Player's Player.

        I thought Parker spoke well and Hanners' interview was moving.

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        • bloodspirit
          Clubman
          • Apr 2015
          • 4448

          #19
          First Skilton Medal for star Swans defender - AFL.com.au

          liz did also correctly pick players player (Buddy), most improved (Sinclair) and rising star (Florent). Excellent work!
          All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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          • goswannies
            Senior Player
            • Sep 2007
            • 3051

            #20
            Originally posted by bloodspirit
            Just before they showed highlights of the last three rounds and then announced top 3 in Bobby Skilton, Horse presented a gift to AJ. Horse said some nice things about AJ and gave him a decent send off. What made an impression:

            1. AJ had his ARM in a sling

            2. AJ is clearly still really focused on trying to play AFL (Adam Spencer, compering, conspicuously avoided getting into this).

            Clearly point 1 is not going to help with point 2 given that AJ is still recovering from his 6th knee reco.
            The thing that interested me was AJ’s sling had a bolster that holds the arm in neutral internat/external rotation with slight abduction. The type of sling one has with shoulder reconstructions or stabilisations. I hope not.

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            • dejavoodoo44
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2015
              • 8637

              #21
              Well done to Jake. Especially since he now joins a select club, of those who have won the Skilton medal, after being originally recruited via the rookie list. Kirk and Jack are the only other members.
              Though I suppose it does emphasize the mediocre nature of the season; in that we spent far too much time getting the ball out of our defence.

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              • aardvark
                Veterans List
                • Mar 2010
                • 5685

                #22
                Originally posted by goswannies
                The thing that interested me was AJ’s sling had a bolster that holds the arm in neutral internat/external rotation with slight abduction. The type of sling one has with shoulder reconstructions or stabilisations. I hope not.
                I hope someone has explained to this boy that he has a lot of years to live after footy and it's a lot more fun to do with a body that still functions normally. I really really hope he retires.

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                • rickmat
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Mar 2018
                  • 500

                  #23
                  What peeves me is there is no acknowledgement of our NEAFL team, no incentive for guys like Darcy Cameron or Colin O'Riordan who had great year and got into NEAFL team of the year. Nor any fanfare by Swans of getting into 4th GF. Swans management seem to a brain fade for our NEAFL boys and website is a prime example

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                  • Ludwig
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 9359

                    #24
                    Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
                    Well done to Jake. Especially since he now joins a select club, of those who have won the Skilton medal, after being originally recruited via the rookie list. Kirk and Jack are the only other members.
                    Though I suppose it does emphasize the mediocre nature of the season; in that we spent far too much time getting the ball out of our defence.
                    More significantly, Jake is the first player to win both the Skilton medal and the Ludwig Future Star award. I guess the Skilton medal will just go into the dresser drawer or perhaps auctioned off on Ebay. .

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                    • Primmy
                      Proud Tragic Swan
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 5970

                      #25
                      Ooowaaaa. Close as. I should have picked Sinca as most improved, don't know why I didn't.
                      If you've never jumped from one couch to the other to save yourself from lava then you didn't have a childhood

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                      • Primmy
                        Proud Tragic Swan
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 5970

                        #26
                        Sound was awful. A number of my mob turned off, just couldn't hear even at full volume. I hung in with speakers of ipad in my ear, but struggled. Vision far better than last year, but kind of pointless when there is almost no sound and I couldn't really watch with ipad turned away. Pity.
                        If you've never jumped from one couch to the other to save yourself from lava then you didn't have a childhood

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                        • dimelb
                          pr. dim-melb; m not f
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 6889

                          #27
                          Originally posted by rickmat
                          What peeves me is there is no acknowledgement of our NEAFL team, no incentive for guys like Darcy Cameron or Colin O'Riordan who had great year and got into NEAFL team of the year. Nor any fanfare by Swans of getting into 4th GF. Swans management seem to a brain fade for our NEAFL boys and website is a prime example
                          I agree. Our ressies had a very good season, and it was the right time and place to recognise their achievements. We (the club) should not give the impression that they are relatively unimportant.
                          He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                          • liz
                            Veteran
                            Site Admin
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 16773

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Primmy
                            Sound was awful. A number of my mob turned off, just couldn't hear even at full volume. I hung in with speakers of ipad in my ear, but struggled. Vision far better than last year, but kind of pointless when there is almost no sound and I couldn't really watch with ipad turned away. Pity.
                            Agree that the sound was dreadful. I had a friend who was at the event and we were sharing texts during the evening. I asked him to see if he could go and find whoever at the venue was responsible for the stream and tell them to turn the sound up but I think he had better things to be doing...

                            I didn't think much of the overall presentation, even putting the sound issues aside. I used to go to these events and, way back in the 1990s, they actually read out every player's votes for every game. I realise this makes for a long (and probably tedious) evening, but surely there is a middle ground between that and just telling us who the top polling player in each game was. Even just a few years back they would put up on screen (and show it to those watching at home) the top dozen or so vote getters in each game together with their votes. I used to be able to sit and keep a running tally so I knew how close things were at the end.

                            And if they needed to cut down on the time elsewhere, surely the Life Membership presentations could have been shorter. Many of the people getting life membership nowadays are just long term employees of the club. I'm sure they've given great service and I don't begrudge them life membership of the club but I'm not sure the public is that interested in a ten minute speech about their career. Not for most of them. I'm excluding Andrew Ireland from that. He's been brilliant for the club and he is one whose contributions I reckon many (most?) are interested in hearing about. But I think they probably spent less time last night acknowledging Ireland than they did the other two employees who were awarded life membership.

                            Originally posted by rickmat
                            What peeves me is there is no acknowledgement of our NEAFL team, no incentive for guys like Darcy Cameron or Colin O'Riordan who had great year and got into NEAFL team of the year. Nor any fanfare by Swans of getting into 4th GF. Swans management seem to a brain fade for our NEAFL boys and website is a prime example
                            Couldn't agree more with this. How hard would it be to have a best NEAFL player award to at least acknowledge what the rest of the players spent the year doing. It wouldn't need to be a full blown count done on the night, but an acknowledgement of their efforts would be great. I don't think it was even mentioned during the evening that the team reached the grand final, yet again. Or of the number of players (including academy players and other sundries) who ran out for the team over the season.

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                            • MattW
                              Veterans List
                              • May 2011
                              • 4218

                              #29
                              I'm pretty sure Spencer was reading all the player votes more recently than the 1990s. I'd reckon as recently as four or five years ago. I agree it was much better; you got a better appreciation of what the coaches thought of the respective performances and of how players were doing in the count.

                              Did anyone go? Did they display all of the votes at the event itself?

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                              • dimelb
                                pr. dim-melb; m not f
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 6889

                                #30
                                Originally posted by MattW
                                I'm pretty sure Spencer was reading all the player votes more recently than the 1990s. I'd reckon as recently as four or five years ago. I agree it was much better; you got a better appreciation of what the coaches thought of the respective performances and of how players were doing in the count.

                                Did anyone go? Did they display all of the votes at the event itself?
                                They did, but the full list was not up for very long. And while they had a pic of each player it was not easy to read the numbers and/or keep tabs on them. To do this you would have needed a full list of players in front of you, and even then you'd be going like a Hansard recorder.
                                He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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