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  • 707
    Veterans List
    • Aug 2009
    • 6204

    Any injury update on Joe Daniher?

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    • Melbourne_Blood
      Senior Player
      • May 2010
      • 3312

      Originally posted by 707
      Any injury update on Joe Daniher?
      The last update I can find through google is that as of 17/12/19 he was no closer to retiring to full training, still battling the groin injury.


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      • Bloods05
        Senior Player
        • Oct 2008
        • 1641

        Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
        no closer to retiring to full training


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        Freudian slip?

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        • andreww1
          Warming the Bench
          • May 2015
          • 193

          Originally posted by stevoswan
          Yeah, we probably have to get used to the fact that we'll only have Paps skills for one more season.....and if he has a change of heart and does end up staying, it's a huge bonus.

          I too see no reason for him to not improve on last years form......he still loves the Swans. It's Gray and Taylor who have to prove themselves.....
          The key to retaining Papley will be can we free up some space in the salary cap to pay him close to what other clubs will offer him.


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          • bloodspirit
            Clubman
            • Apr 2015
            • 4448

            Originally posted by andreww1
            The key to retaining Papley will be can we free up some space in the salary cap to pay him close to what other clubs will offer him.


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            The key to retaining Papley is that he is already contracted. We don't have to trade him unless we want to and it is in our interests to do so. Not this year, and not next. That said, we do want to try to keep him happy.

            As far as salary goes, I'm not too sympathetic because:

            1. He is being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars per year to do something he loves. (Even if he could be earning substantially more elsewhere he's still doing more than ok.)

            2. He voluntarily entered the contract among other reasons because he was at the time, I imagine, delighted to get the security of such a long contract and such a big show of faith in him as a player by the club.

            3. During the contract negotiations he was, I presume, represented by an agent of his choosing (or if he had none that was his choice also) who was qualified and resourced to make sure he got a fair offer and made an informed choice about whether or not to accept it.

            4. When things go the other way and a player is injured or falls out of form, nobody seriously suggests that the player should take a pay cut because now they are worth less and they wouldn't be able to get the same salary elsewhere. This is not hypothetical at all. Think of players like Alex Johnson, Sam Naismith, Sam Reid, who have been paid a lot of money even while missing entire seasons (as of course they should be).

            Swings and roundabouts. You make your bed, you lie in it. Etc. Insert your own favourite cliche here.
            All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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            • Bloods05
              Senior Player
              • Oct 2008
              • 1641

              Originally posted by bloodspirit
              The key to retaining Papley is that he is already contracted. We don't have to trade him unless we want to and it is in our interests to do so. Not this year, and not next. That said, we do want to try to keep him happy.

              As far as salary goes, I'm not too sympathetic because:

              1. He is being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars per year to do something he loves. (Even if he could be earning substantially more elsewhere he's still doing more than ok.)

              2. He voluntarily entered the contract among other reasons because he was at the time, I imagine, delighted to get the security of such a long contract and such a big show of faith in him as a player by the club.

              3. During the contract negotiations he was, I presume, represented by an agent of his choosing (or if he had none that was his choice also) who was qualified and resourced to make sure he got a fair offer and made an informed choice about whether or not to accept it.

              4. When things go the other way and a player is injured or falls out of form, nobody seriously suggests that the player should take a pay cut because now they are worth less and they wouldn't be able to get the same salary elsewhere. This is not hypothetical at all. Think of players like Alex Johnson, Sam Naismith, Sam Reid, who have been paid a lot of money even while missing entire seasons (as of course they should be).

              Swings and roundabouts. You make your bed, you lie in it. Etc. Insert your own favourite cliche here.
              Nicely put.

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              • royboy42
                Senior Player
                • Apr 2006
                • 2076

                Originally posted by Blood Relative
                If Tom hadn't asked for a ticket home, we would all be up-in-arms over his demotion from leadership responsibilities, such was the high standard he produced 2019. I think we all know the writing is on the wall now that Taylor and Gray have landed. If this logic continues we may see very little of Tom in 2020. Thanks for everything TP.
                There ain't no writing on the wall as far as I'm concerned.
                He is a better player than either Taylor or Grey.
                I'd say he will be selected ahead of both.
                As far as the logic continuing, i didn't notice it start.

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                • The Runner
                  Regular in the Side
                  • May 2017
                  • 718

                  Papley will be in the squad of 40 for All Australian selection. He's a premier small forward, and elite center clearance player. He'll take his game to another level next year, not to prove anyone wrong or increase value etc. But because he's a bloody good footballer on an upward trajectory, with a high ceiling and motivation.
                  Whether we keep him for another year or not isn't really an issue. He's contracted, so we'd be compensated if we lose him.
                  Gray and Taylor are not in his class, and never will be. And I don't think they're here as future replacements.

                  But, if we got a great year out of him, and he requested a trade again, and we got a fit Daniher in return (via a few trades of picks and players etc) then we're doing alright.

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                  • The Big Cat
                    On the veteran's list
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 2350

                    Originally posted by The Runner
                    But, if we got a great year out of him, and he requested a trade again, and we got a fit Daniher in return (via a few trades of picks and players etc) then we're doing alright.
                    No need for trades. We’d get Daniher for nothing as a free agent.
                    Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                    • 707
                      Veterans List
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 6204

                      Originally posted by The Big Cat
                      No need for trades. We’d get Daniher for nothing as a free agent.
                      With at least two potential high'ish academy selections this year, we won't be burning high draft picks to get Daniher when he can come for free as an RFA, providing the Dodo just accepts he wants out and takes the compo pick. Daniher seems to have a long road ahead just to get playing again

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                      • bloodspirit
                        Clubman
                        • Apr 2015
                        • 4448

                        An article about Brady Rowles pre-draft, which also dips its lid to Dylan Stephens at the end as another Sunraysia product: Potential AFL draftee Brady Rowles plays the waiting game. The key take away is that it would seem Brady is not too much of a flight risk. A) He comes from rural Victoria, close to the NSW border. B) His parents are separated and his dad lives in Queensland. C) He already boarded a year with a host family in Bendigo in 2019. Apart from that he seems fairly mature in what he had to say.

                        A small tidbit that emerged was that the Swans were the club that presented potential draftees in interviews with a choice of 4 toys to choose from and asked them to explain their choices. Would be interesting to ask the recruiters why. I imagine it gives interviewees an opportunity to show how they can react to something unexpected and be a bit creative. Get them out of their rote, drilled answers to standard questions.
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                        • bloodspirit
                          Clubman
                          • Apr 2015
                          • 4448

                          And another article with a focus on Brady by Chris Doerre, which compares him to Paul Seedsman: AFL Draft Wrap Linebreaker Brady Rowles likened to damaging Crow.

                          An interesting aside is the acknowledgment here that league wide there has been a drift towards drafting faster, more explosive players, a trend the Swans have clearly been very much a part of.
                          All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                          • O'Reilly Boy
                            Warming the Bench
                            • Feb 2014
                            • 474

                            Originally posted by bloodspirit
                            And another article with a focus on Brady by Chris Doerre, which compares him to Paul Seedsman: AFL Draft Wrap Linebreaker Brady Rowles likened to damaging Crow.

                            An interesting aside is the acknowledgment here that league wide there has been a drift towards drafting faster, more explosive players, a trend the Swans have clearly been very much a part of.
                            also note the short takes on Dylan Stephens and Will Gould . . .

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                            • sprite
                              Regular in the Side
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 813

                              Joe Daniher update:

                              Heading to a groin guru in Ireland......

                              sprite

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                              • wolftone57
                                Veterans List
                                • Aug 2008
                                • 5835

                                Originally posted by sprite
                                Joe Daniher update:

                                Heading to a groin guru in Ireland......

                                https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...15-p53rif.html
                                What have I been saying. This Osteitis Pubis is, in some people, a chronic condition. His brother never recovered from it. If he plays again it won't be soon by the looks of it.

                                Yes we did dodge a bullet. If fit he would be a great asset but as it is he is just another player in the injury list. Sad that such a talent is being wasted but that's how it is sometimes. I can remember we got this wonderful little rover, an Indigenous kid, Jamie Lawson, who broke his leg and never played again.



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