2019 Round 1: Western Bulldogs v Sydney Swans @ Marvel Stadium

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  • Mr Magoo
    Senior Player
    • May 2008
    • 1255

    Originally posted by stevoswan
    https://screenshotscdn.firefoxuserco...7be9bb6b0e.png



    Check these screen shots from our game on Saturday night.....after Bont's matchwinner.

    Gillon, is this the look of impartiality?

    The fact that he was even in Hemsworth's box says it all.......then 'high fiving' with Dogs fans. He's a ............ . You can fill in the blank.
    Being a bit harsh in my view. Whats he going to do , sit there all stony faced and tell them he cant be seen to enjoy the moment as it wouldn't be impartial.

    Im no fan and I think he is particularly beholden to the views of the melbourne establishment but in these moments you cant expect him to not have a laugh and enjoy himself. Im sure he wasnt sitting there saying " See boys I told you I would get you a win if you invited me up"

    If I was the CEO of the league I would still barrack for the swans .

    I would also reverse COLA , abolish the academies down south , introduce extra first round draft picks to the Swans for the next two years in reparation for them being punished for not breaking any laws and I would ban richmond for trading for two years on the basis they cant have it all. Thats impartial isnt it?

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    • mcs
      Travelling Swannie!!
      • Jul 2007
      • 8149

      Originally posted by jono2707
      This - we need more of a 'see ball get ball' mentality. Too often on Saturday (and last year) we seem to have been more focused on what the opposition are doing at stoppages, and we've let them be first to the ball. Maybe this worked in the past but it isn't a great tactic now - especially when you're not spot on with your structures and particularly when you're outpaced by your opponent. But I think we can fix this by being more proactive and being more focused on getting first hands on the ball.
      Absolutely this! Too much ball watching, which was an issue last year as well. Yes one needs to be focused on their opponent, but at times they also need to just 'get the ball' caveman style. There were a couple of pieces of play on Saturday night like that - I think it was Papley in one part of the play where the dogs had got away but the ball was loose after an errand kick. From where I sat, it looked like he actively run away from the ball to stay with his man, despite well and truly being well placed to go and challenge for the ball and potentially gain a clean possession. madness!
      "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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      • AnnieH
        RWOs Black Sheep
        • Aug 2006
        • 11332

        Playing the ball would be a nice turnaround.
        Handballing into traffic has to stop as well. It nearly always ends in tears... mine.
        Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
        Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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        • KSAS
          Senior Player
          • Mar 2018
          • 1764

          Heard Whately interview Longmire on SEN this morning. Longmire said he would've preferred if Buddy, Florent & Jones had played another JLT match before Saturday's game. Buddy was selected because he needed to start playing after completing a month of training (more than he achieved for the entire 2018 season).

          Sounds like these 3 were a bit under done coming into this game. Buddy I can understand needing game time being a super star. Hopefully all 3 (and rest of the team for that matter), are better for the run and see improvement this week. Go Swans!

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          • liz
            Veteran
            Site Admin
            • Jan 2003
            • 16733

            Originally posted by KSAS
            Heard Whately interview Longmire on SEN this morning. Longmire said he would've preferred if Buddy, Florent & Jones had played another JLT match before Saturday's game. Buddy was selected because he needed to start playing after completing a month of training (more than he achieved for the entire 2018 season).

            Sounds like these 3 were a bit under done coming into this game. Buddy I can understand needing game time being a super star. Hopefully all 3 (and rest of the team for that matter), are better for the run and see improvement this week. Go Swans!
            I think their relative performances vindicated the selection of Jones but not Florent. Jones made a few errors but I also thought he was one trying to take a few risks and make things happen during the first half, when few others were.

            Buddy is a completely different matter. If he was at the point he was ready for, and needed, match time, there was no question that you'd play him in the senior team, not the NEAFL. And although his output wasn't great, him just being out there must have made a difference to the Dogs' defensive strategies and to the confidence of the younger forwards.

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            • Blood Fever
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 4040

              Originally posted by stevoswan
              https://screenshotscdn.firefoxuserco...7be9bb6b0e.png



              Check these screen shots from our game on Saturday night.....after Bont's matchwinner.

              Gillon, is this the look of impartiality?

              The fact that he was even in Hemsworth's box says it all.......then 'high fiving' with Dogs fans. He's a ............ . You can fill in the blank.

              Shallow show pony

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              • waswan
                Senior Player
                • Oct 2015
                • 2047

                Buddy did nothing and could have had 3 goals in last term and won it
                Has to play

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                • crackedactor
                  Regular in the Side
                  • May 2012
                  • 919

                  Originally posted by Blood Fever
                  Shallow show pony
                  Heard he was giving high fives after the Bulldogs beat us in the 2016 GF. Mr "I am impartial"is not his real name.


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                  • crackedactor
                    Regular in the Side
                    • May 2012
                    • 919

                    Originally posted by KSAS
                    Heard Whately interview Longmire on SEN this morning. Longmire said he would've preferred if Buddy, Florent & Jones had played another JLT match before Saturday's game. Buddy was selected because he needed to start playing after completing a month of training (more than he achieved for the entire 2018 season).

                    Sounds like these 3 were a bit under done coming into this game. Buddy I can understand needing game time being a super star. Hopefully all 3 (and rest of the team for that matter), are better for the run and see improvement this week. Go Swans!
                    On the Sunday footy show we were called the slowest team in the AFL. Still believe it's due to several players that are not 100% fit. At least I hope that theory is correct!


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                    • waswan
                      Senior Player
                      • Oct 2015
                      • 2047

                      We have personnel to be fast
                      We looked pretty fast for a qtr or so on the weekend.
                      Id say a more accurate call is that we are very slow to get going

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                      • TheMase
                        Senior Player
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 1207

                        2019 Round 1: Western Bulldogs v Sydney Swans @ Marvel Stadium

                        Originally posted by waswan
                        We have personnel to be fast
                        We looked pretty fast for a qtr or so on the weekend.
                        Id say a more accurate call is that we are very slow to get going
                        I actually think we get out of the blocks pretty well mostly. In fact last year we were one of the highest scoring teams in the first 10 minutes of the game if I recall correctly.

                        It is when the momentum swings to the opposition that we enter defensive mode (which in and of itself is fine, you can’t run a game at 100% relentless attack imo), and then can’t get the momentum to swing back / get out of defensive mode.

                        I’d also say that we look slow because we are stagnant not because we actually are slow (as the early parts of the game and the final quarter demonstrated we can play quick footy to your point).

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                        • Mr Magoo
                          Senior Player
                          • May 2008
                          • 1255

                          People shouldnt confuse leg speed with speed of use of the football.

                          I dont think the doggies are particularly fast but they do try to get first use in the contest , they use it quick once they do have it and they swarm in numbers to keep it moving. Theres no reason that JK, Parker et al cannot do same . To me its a mental intent . I hope its not a fitness thing, our guys looked to be working pretty hard in preseason to me so it would be surprising if it was.

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                          • Hotpotato
                            Senior Player
                            • Jun 2014
                            • 2261

                            Agree, no time in the game now to second guess, Zak did and was tackled by not one but two doggies. HTB.
                            It makes you look slow.

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                            • Sandrevan
                              Warming the Bench
                              • May 2016
                              • 355

                              I can't say much that hasn't already been said. My observations: far too many basic skill errors, fumbling, etc. There were a couple of really bad umpiring decisions that led to goals for the BullS*@ts - but that was not why we lost. We need to win some clearances otherwise we are in for a long season. Like others have said, our players should be chasing the ball rather than trying to stop the opposition from getting it - Jake Lloyd is a big culprit in this.
                              At times last year when we played attacking footy we looked good and the same goes for the last quarter on Saturday night. However, we seem to do a lot of heavy, desperate defence in our D50 and there is not much in between these 2 extremes of play. The Swans find it difficult to stop the momentum of the opposition - we wait until they are tired before we start playing attacking footy. Then we are always playing catch-up. I'm no fan of Hawthorn but Clarko is a master at stopping the momentum of the opposition.

                              Also, I'm no fan of Gary Lyon on SEN but had some sensible words about the Swans - he said they just can't move the ball quick enough and with the 6-6-6 rule - if we base our game on rebounding out of our D50 we're never going to get enough inside 50's to kick good scores.

                              I don't think the Swans players are any slower than other team - we just need to change the game plan to a more attacking mindset. Take a look at the teams who won in R1 - it's all about attack.

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                              • liz
                                Veteran
                                Site Admin
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 16733

                                Originally posted by Hotpotato
                                Agree, no time in the game now to second guess, Zak did and was tackled by not one but two doggies. HTB.
                                It makes you look slow.
                                It's a fine line. In that passage, Jones received a panicked handball from a team mate while he was already in traffic. He did take a couple of steps and had an opportunity to dispose of the ball before being tackled, but where would that disposal have gone? If it had just been a handball into space, it was as likely to create a turnover as him getting tackled. So unless there was a clearly visible option to a team mate in a bit more space, I don't have an issue with him trying to create that space himself.

                                I think the player who handballed it to him was probably in a little more space than Jones was. Maybe that player should have taken an extra split second to find a better option.

                                Jones does get caught from time to time, and sometimes makes disposal errors, but usually when he's trying to take the game on and make something happen. I don't think it's reasonable to criticise a player doing this for the odd mistakes they make, while at the same time bemoaning the general tendency of the team not to take risks and try and move the ball on in an unpredictable fashion.

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