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  • MattW
    Veterans List
    • May 2011
    • 4193

    #16
    Originally posted by liz
    Rose is certainly the closest to a like-for-like replacement for Hayward, at least while Menzel is still injured.

    He was head and shoulders the best Swan in the NEAFL game yesterday, and one can't attribute that to "extra effort" knowing there was a spot up for grabs in the senior team. If they don't pick him in the senior team next week, given the combination of a spot available and his NEAFL form, you have to wonder why they kept him on for another year.
    Yes, it feels now or never.

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    • AB Swannie
      Senior Player
      • Mar 2017
      • 1579

      #17
      Originally posted by AB Swannie
      I’d also be interested to see if anyone was managed towards the end of the NEAFL game. With a 5 day turnaround, Longmire stayed that this should’ve happened in the NEAFL. Any players being given extra rest towards the end may help narrow options.
      I did my own research and watched the last quarter of the NEAFL game. Unfortunately, I am none the wiser as Rose, Jack, and Rowbottom all seemed to play decent minutes in the guts and up forward. It's possible that COR had more of a rest but it was hard to tell as the game was played largely in the Swan's half.

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      • Ludwig
        Veterans List
        • Apr 2007
        • 9359

        #18
        Originally posted by longmile
        I agree completely with this.

        Out: Hayward, McVeigh, Ronke
        In: Rose, COR, Jack
        This looks right to me too.

        I feel that Blakey and Hayward were sharing one role, and one too many, so it's really Blakey that slots into that 3rd marking forward role.

        With Heeney spending so much time forward and being a key target there, it's hard to carry so many forwards and expect them to contribute on the scoreboard. Maybe that's part of the problem of Ronke getting into the game. Maybe not. Rose is in good form and Ronke is not, so a swap makes sense. We signed Rose for another year and this seems a good time to give him another shot at a senior spot. He's got the talent, but we all agree he needs to produce at senior level. He can play in the midfield as well as forward, so might fit into that rotation. I liked the workrate of Rose in the reserves and noted how often he appeared in the defensive 50 and still kicked 4 goals. If he can do keep that up in the seniors, he should go alright.

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        • Blood Fever
          Veterans List
          • Apr 2007
          • 4040

          #19
          Originally posted by Ludwig
          This looks right to me too.

          I feel that Blakey and Hayward were sharing one role, and one too many, so it's really Blakey that slots into that 3rd marking forward role.

          With Heeney spending so much time forward and being a key target there, it's hard to carry so many forwards and expect them to contribute on the scoreboard. Maybe that's part of the problem of Ronke getting into the game. Maybe not. Rose is in good form and Ronke is not, so a swap makes sense. We signed Rose for another year and this seems a good time to give him another shot at a senior spot. He's got the talent, but we all agree he needs to produce at senior level. He can play in the midfield as well as forward, so might fit into that rotation. I liked the workrate of Rose in the reserves and noted how often he appeared in the defensive 50 and still kicked 4 goals. If he can do keep that up in the seniors, he should go alright.
          Ronke gives us speed and should be persevered with. Looked very dangerous in second half. Could have has 3 goals except for accuracy and one charity paid to blues.

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          Originally posted by Ludwig
          This looks right to me too.

          I feel that Blakey and Hayward were sharing one role, and one too many, so it's really Blakey that slots into that 3rd marking forward role.

          With Heeney spending so much time forward and being a key target there, it's hard to carry so many forwards and expect them to contribute on the scoreboard. Maybe that's part of the problem of Ronke getting into the game. Maybe not. Rose is in good form and Ronke is not, so a swap makes sense. We signed Rose for another year and this seems a good time to give him another shot at a senior spot. He's got the talent, but we all agree he needs to produce at senior level. He can play in the midfield as well as forward, so might fit into that rotation. I liked the workrate of Rose in the reserves and noted how often he appeared in the defensive 50 and still kicked 4 goals. If he can do keep that up in the seniors, he should go alright.
          Rose can come in for hayward if necessary

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          • stevoswan
            Veterans List
            • Sep 2014
            • 8543

            #20
            Originally posted by Blood Fever
            In Jack COR
            Out Hayward Mcveigh
            Originally posted by ernie koala
            Yep...If fit..

            IN : Jack , COR

            OUT : McVeigh, Hayward
            Seems to be the popular choice for next weeks changes and they make sense to me with Ronke saved only by Haywards forced omission.....

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            • Swanny40519
              Regular in the side.
              • Oct 2012
              • 469

              #21
              Originally posted by longmile
              I agree completely with this.

              Out: Hayward, McVeigh, Ronke
              In: Rose, COR, Jack

              I agree as well. Ronke has been poor all year and needs to find some form in NEAFL.

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              • MattW
                Veterans List
                • May 2011
                • 4193

                #22
                Originally posted by Blood Fever
                Ronke gives us speed and should be persevered with. Looked very dangerous in second half. Could have has 3 goals except for accuracy and one charity paid to blues.

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                Rose can come in for hayward if necessary
                I agree - Ronke looked to be warming up on the second half. Let him work his way into it.

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                • Nico
                  Veterans List
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 11328

                  #23
                  Ludwig, why no Rowbottom. You were a big rap for him when we drafted him and he had good Under 18 video highlights. Did you not say that he was right up there with Walsh, the No.1 draft pick. From what I hear he is already looking too good for the NEAFL. I say bring him in and leave him in.
                  http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                  • Ludwig
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 9359

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Nico
                    Ludwig, why no Rowbottom. You were a big rap for him when we drafted him and he had good Under 18 video highlights. Did you not say that he was right up there with Walsh, the No.1 draft pick. From what I hear he is already looking too good for the NEAFL. I say bring him in and leave him in.
                    I said he had a great highlight reel. If we could just reduce the game length to 3 minutes, I'd slam him right in the senior midfield. Maybe there's a rule change in the works. Until then, he needs to ripen a bit in the NEAFL. He's doing well though and i'm still confident he will be a good player; McInerney too.

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                    • Mark26
                      Senior Player
                      • Jan 2017
                      • 1535

                      #25
                      Originally posted by longmile
                      I agree completely with this.

                      Out: Hayward, McVeigh, Ronke
                      In: Rose, COR, Jack
                      Lock them in!

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                      • Markwebbos
                        Veterans List
                        • Jul 2016
                        • 7186

                        #26
                        Found this piece interesting on how the Bombers beat Melbourne... by dropping big bodied slower mids and backing smaller, faster ones to run them ragged.

                        https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/demons-can-seek-inspiration-from-swans-of-2017-20190406-p51bi1.html

                        The Dons dumped their two largest bodied midfielders in David Myers (191cm) and Kyle Langford (191cm), who left a midfield that is replete with quick smalls – Zach Merrett, David Zaharakis, Dylan Shiel, Darcy Parish and with Devon Smith available for bursts. None of that group is more than six foot.

                        Before the game, it was natural to wonder if the bigger, more physical Melbourne mids – especially Clayton Oliver and Angus Brayshaw – would have a decisive edge in the scrimmages.

                        In the second quarter, Oliver and especially Brayshaw did seem to be on the verge of a midfield takeover, but for the majority of the match, the running power of the Bombers – whether swooping on loose balls or outside the contest – held sway over Melbourne’s strength and grunt. Smaller Essendon matched the larger Demons in contested ball.

                        Is it possible that the more agile and quick-footed midfielders will be advantaged by the extra space afforded them via six-six-six?

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                        • waswan
                          Senior Player
                          • Oct 2015
                          • 2047

                          #27
                          Jack a definite in, 2 weeks in NEAFL is more than he usually plays
                          Want to see Melican in to release Ramps, best decision make with Mcveigh out
                          I rate him but Ronke has to go back to ressies, his possessions wouldnt worrys the coaches but his 4 tackles in 2 weeks would
                          It is now or never for Rose but ive never rated him
                          Be good to see one of this years Draftees come in

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                          • Markwebbos
                            Veterans List
                            • Jul 2016
                            • 7186

                            #28
                            McVeigh 6-8 weeks, Hayward a month

                            Double blow: Veteran Swan to miss 6-8 weeks, forward has surgery - AFL.com.au

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                            • Blood Fever
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 4040

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Markwebbos
                              Chance to give the likes of COR, Dawson etc a good run at it and have McVeigh available at back end of year. He is our best defensive ball user and decision maker, by far. Fear he will be badly missed but sadly Father Time remains undefeated.

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                              • Aprilbr
                                Senior Player
                                • Oct 2016
                                • 1803

                                #30
                                Yes we will miss both players for sure but it creates opportunities for others to step up if they are good enough. Ronke must be close to being dropped so we could easily have three changes this week. To me, Ronke is down on confidence and he has not played a good game for some time (he finished the season poorly last year and has done little more to impress this season). In: Jack, COR and probably Rose. The selectors may cause a shock and hand a debut to Rowbottom.

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