#AFL Round 4 Swans vs Dees Thur 11-Apr at SCG #AFLSwansDees @sydneyswans

[Cosmic Wizard]

Just recalling our last 2 years centre clearances. Seems to me we are continually beaten and who is the centre line coach (Kirky) freo has improved since he left and we have gone backwards since we lost dewey.
Maybe we need to look at our coaching panel again. Kirk was a good player but maybe he is not as good coach.

What i have been saying for while.

Our assistance coaches have not achieved anything at any other club, but just seem to be mates of Longmire.

John Blakey - long time mate of Longmire
Jeremy Laidler - became a coach after being cut as a player; was that the pay off?
Dean Cox - could be good, hard to say
Lloyd Perris - fail as a rookie; was becoming a coach a pay off for a failed career?
Brett Kirk - coach at Freo, still coaches as if the game is stuck in 2005
Tadgh Kennelly (Spelt Radgh on our website) - another Swans ex player who hasn't coach or played anywhere else
Steve Johnson - was going to coach at GWS, then wasn't and then ends up with us - long time mate of Harley

Really third rate; but look at all the assistances who have gone to other clubs.
Was Longmire the reason we lose so many good assistance coaches?
Maybe they see that our game plan is a decade to old and can't be bothered banging their head against a wall.

PS saw the Magpies and dogs game; players being able to hit targets and break the lines, that how we need to play!

[rb4x]

I would not rate Lloyd Perris a fail as a rookie. Injury cut short a promising career.

[Markwebbos]

McInerney - what did everyone think Re his role on thurs night ?

To me it appeared that Justin had a run with / tagging role on the fast young 20 gamer Spargo who only had 7 disposals. Spargo pick 29 in the draft two years ago only 17 pressure acts vs McInerneys 19.

In comparison Cunningham who was BOG as per Fantasy points had 22 pressure acts vs McInerney 19.

Where ever Spargo went so to did McInerney. Uncomplicated role for his first game. It surprised me outr backline game plan with Rampe being the player that slotted into being our rebounding player with Cunningham and Lloyd. It appears that it was never our game plan for Justin to be his natural rebounding HBF role we have observed in the JLT. McInerney just tagged all evening with 65% of his time playing as a forward tagger !!!!

Spargo is super quick and Justin’s defensive wing / HFF role probably was the easiest way to play ur first game at 18yrs of age


McInerney
TOG - 71mins only

Disposals - 1
Heat map - Offensive half 65%
Contested possessions - 3
Score involvements - 1
Pressure acts - 19

Very interesting observation given others have called for his head. Where do you get pressure acts stats from?

[Velour&Ruffles]

McInerney - what did everyone think Re his role on thurs night ?

To me it appeared that Justin had a run with / tagging role on the fast young 20 gamer Spargo who only had 7 disposals. Spargo pick 29 in the draft two years ago only 17 pressure acts vs McInerneys 19.

In comparison Cunningham who was BOG as per Fantasy points had 22 pressure acts vs McInerney 19.

Where ever Spargo went so to did McInerney. Uncomplicated role for his first game. It surprised me outr backline game plan with Rampe being the player that slotted into being our rebounding player with Cunningham and Lloyd. It appears that it was never our game plan for Justin to be his natural rebounding HBF role we have observed in the JLT. McInerney just tagged all evening with 65% of his time playing as a forward tagger !!!!

Spargo is super quick and Justin’s defensive wing / HFF role probably was the easiest way to play ur first game at 18yrs of age


McInerney
TOG - 71mins only

Disposals - 1
Heat map - Offensive half 65%
Contested possessions - 3
Score involvements - 1
Pressure acts - 19

How are people supposed to wallow in a good old emotional rant when you go and introduce empirical data?

[Auntie.Gerald]

Afl website
Swans vs melb
Indv player stats
Scroll down and u will see indv pressure acts

I wanted to review after watching McInerney twice nullifying Salem’s transitions from the backline (Justin dived in at Salem’s kick when they were sprinting along the boundary)

Salem kicked out on the full and McInerney was credited with a pressure act etc

What the coaches want and what the players want of a debutant can be very different to what we want

[ugg]

Don't agree that McInerney was tagging Spargo. Spargo was playing as a forward and McInerney was on the wing. In any case I don't see how anyone playing just over 50% of game time can be tagging. I would say his main opponents were the 2 Wagners and Nate Jones. Spargo had Lloyd or Cunningham for company most of the night.

[Kafka's Ghost]

I'd go along with all these ideas, but the one that registered most strongly is the final in bold. Stands out at the moment as I'm watching the Magpies vs Bulldogs, and it's an outstanding display of movement, accurate kicking and hard running.

You must have missed the first half. Although I’m glad I persisted, as the second half was terrific footy.

[stellation]

Dean Cox - could be good, hard to say
Steve Johnson - was going to coach at GWS, then wasn't and then ends up with us - long time mate of Harley

These two were both fairly hotly sought after as they transitioned into coaching. Johnson, in particular, was always viewed as someone who would make an excellent coach, I would suggest any relationship with Harley assisted in the Swans being fortunate in adding him to the books far more than it being a job for a mate.

Lloyd Perris - fail as a rookie; was becoming a coach a pay off for a failed career?
Tadgh Kennelly (Spelt Radgh on our website) - another Swans ex player who hasn't coach or played anywhere else

Tadhg had strong credentials as a coach prior to coming to the Swans and certainly earnt the opportunity to move into a development role, then a regular assistant position when the opportunity presented itself. Likewise Lloyd seemed to have earnt his stripes before being given his opportunity (keeping in mind that he, and Laidler, hold the most junior coaching positions in the club outside of the Academy).

[Ralph Dawg]

As a Brisbane based swans fan, I watch just as many Lions games as I do Swans and get to more live matches. I have seen first hand the massive growth in their list and overall, 2019 looks to be the year they start to make a move out of the basement. This has been built on the appointment of a well regarded coach, respected by the players and someone who is attractive to recruits. He has got rid of long term guys who didn't want to buy in and replaced with a mixture of experienced recruits along with some high draft picks. The youngsters at times have stunk it up but he has shown faith in them. We need to recognise that to be in a position to threaten again, we need to undergo our rebuild. The game has changed rapidly in the last few years and has left us behind. Along with a move to a more contemporary style, we need to have a good hard look at our list. Aging players and those who will realistically never be regular AFL players need to be moved on. We need to aggressively recruit and trade. Accept that in the process, there will be the odd flogging. If we keep doing what we are now, we will not threaten for a long time.

[Markwebbos]

Like today

[Ralph Dawg]

Like today

Yes, appropriate day for my post! But I do enjoy watching the Lions at the moment. When I watch the swans, the TV is in serious danger!

[Auntie.Gerald]

Don't agree that McInerney was tagging Spargo. Spargo was playing as a forward and McInerney was on the wing. In any case I don't see how anyone playing just over 50% of game time can be tagging. I would say his main opponents were the 2 Wagners and Nate Jones. Spargo had Lloyd or Cunningham for company most of the night.

I saw jones on Jones a reasonable amount

I saw Heeney on the wing a reasonable amount

I didn’t notice Spargo on lloyd but did notice a Wagner on lloyd

I saw McInerney up front a lot on the HF line minimising effective exits

[Merdo5555]

just reading through the posts one thought really struck me, i think the majority of the current group haven't bought into the "bloods" culture, to me the epitome of the culture was constant effort. We were never a pretty team at our height but everyone enjoyed the complete commitment on show every game.

The culture was a perfect fit for John's coaching style.

But with the majority of the group being of a different mindset (and im not being critical everyone has their own way of doing things) more focused on glamour than grunt there is a complete disconnect between the coaches and the players. The players are being molded into a style of play that doesn't suit them.

We need a new coaching approach and a new version of the bloods culture, perhaps an emphasis on work rate moving all over the ground rather than contested football.

Poor years are disappointing especially after years of success, but they don't hurt as much when you can see the phoenix rising. At the moment I dont see where our next premiership comes from.

What will the AFL's view of its trade ban be if we have a number of poor years and general support drops off. I think the drop off was inevitable after so much success but the ban is going to make the fall alot longer than it would have been.

As hard as it is to say I think the next trade period should focus on moving old stalwarts out and getting new young talent in. I would entertain offers for anyone if the deal was right, I doubt a team could take on Buddy's salary but if we got an offer of two first rounders i would give it serious thought. As good as Buddy is i don't seem him as part of our next flag winning team. I think we need a serious rebuild.

Also there has been a lot of focus on the coaching when there has to be serious scrutiny of our players, repeated clangers, missed tackles, bad positioning, poor goal kicking are all on the players.

[stevoswan]

We can win three of those I reckon, with a bit of improvement of course (just kicking straight would be a good start)....Richmond (call me optimistic but they're severely weakened atm and it is an away game.....pity Dusty won his appeal though), Bombers and North.

We won't beat the Giants or Lions.

After today I'll now say that we will not beat Essendon or Richmond either......so we might beat North, who kick at goal as badly as we do.

[Nico]

Our movement of the ball is puzzling. We switch play to the fat side, get a player loose out wide, then go to a player leading to the point of the 50 metre arc and the boundary. In the meantime the whole opposition has flooded our backline. Incredibly predictable. Opposition coaches must be laughing at how simple it is to beat us. Only need 1 team meeting during the week leading up to a match against us.