Changes for Round 11 Geelong

[MattW]

Let Ramps kick in, i dont reckon Lloyd or McVeigh can kick 45m

Lloyd's kicked 55m set shots for goal.

[liz]

Macca will gain nothing by playing in the magoos.

I don't think that what Macca will gain from playing reserves is the important question. He's not a long term part of the club's plans, given his age, and it's highly unlikely we'll be playing finals this season. His return - or not - to the senior team should surely revolve around what the team will gain by having him back.

I think you need to look at where he would fit into the team. Revising his role across half-back is the most natural place to play him. O'Riordan is currently holding down that spot. So do you simply replace COR with McVeigh? I'd be disappointed if that happened because Colin has shown over the last few weeks that he's ready to play senior football. And while he's not yet as accomplished a player as McVeigh, he does represent the generation coming through, not the one on its way out.

If you're not going to simply replace COR (or Thurlow - about whom I'd make similar observations to those on COR), can you reshuffle the team to fit McVeigh in? To do this you'd need to move COR, Lloyd or Mills elsewhere on the field. I don't include Thurlow here because I don't think there's another natural position for him. I'm not the only person who has commented that Lloyd might represent more value across half-forward but it would be a big shift to move him away from defence. COR has played on the wing at NEAFL level and has even attended a handful of centre bounces but I don't think he projects at the moment as an onballer at senior level.

So it comes back to whether the coaches are prepared to release Mills into the midfield. It seems like an obvious move, particularly given that Kennedy is the one player that needs to be replaced. But it's seemed obvious for a while and the coaches have resisted, so I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it to happen this week.

I think the only other way to fit McVeigh in (and then subsequently to work out how to structure the team) is to drop Clarke or Fox. Clarke seems highly unlikely given the tagging jobs he's successfully accomplished over the past fortnight. Fox is probably more of a bits and pieces player, someone without a defined role. Would McVeigh be a better option to come in and perform that variety of roles, including shut down roles where there's another opposition player worthy of focussing on shutting out of a game? Not sure.

[aardvark]

We have the third highest points against. A little direction from Macca would probably help.

[Markwebbos]

I don't think that what Macca will gain from playing reserves is the important question. He's not a long term part of the club's plans, given his age, and it's highly unlikely we'll be playing finals this season. His return - or not - to the senior team should surely revolve around what the team will gain by having him back.

I think you need to look at where he would fit into the team. Revising his role across half-back is the most natural place to play him. O'Riordan is currently holding down that spot. So do you simply replace COR with McVeigh? I'd be disappointed if that happened because Colin has shown over the last few weeks that he's ready to play senior football. And while he's not yet as accomplished a player as McVeigh, he does represent the generation coming through, not the one on its way out.

If you're not going to simply replace COR (or Thurlow - about whom I'd make similar observations to those on COR), can you reshuffle the team to fit McVeigh in? To do this you'd need to move COR, Lloyd or Mills elsewhere on the field. I don't include Thurlow here because I don't think there's another natural position for him. I'm not the only person who has commented that Lloyd might represent more value across half-forward but it would be a big shift to move him away from defence. COR has played on the wing at NEAFL level and has even attended a handful of centre bounces but I don't think he projects at the moment as an onballer at senior level.

So it comes back to whether the coaches are prepared to release Mills into the midfield. It seems like an obvious move, particularly given that Kennedy is the one player that needs to be replaced. But it's seemed obvious for a while and the coaches have resisted, so I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it to happen this week.

I think the only other way to fit McVeigh in (and then subsequently to work out how to structure the team) is to drop Clarke or Fox. Clarke seems highly unlikely given the tagging jobs he's successfully accomplished over the past fortnight. Fox is probably more of a bits and pieces player, someone without a defined role. Would McVeigh be a better option to come in and perform that variety of roles, including shut down roles where there's another opposition player worthy of focussing on shutting out of a game? Not sure.

Good points in there Liz.

If Macca comes in, it must not be at the expense of Thurlow or COR. That would be a retrograde step. Releasing Mills to the mids for at least a couple of games would be a popular outcome here on RWO.

I've been impressed with Clarke and to a lesser extent Fox in defensive roles. Clarke on Higgins / Sidebum and Fox on Saad / Polec although his role was less clear last week. I don't think there's any way an underdone McVeigh could replace either, but if Fox made way for Mills it would have to be in a different role.

The other question is who makes way for Menzel if they decide to play him against his former club, which would have a nice symmetry about it with Gaz doing the same. If we play Reid, McCartin, Buddy, Blakey and Menzel that's a forward line lacking in smalls... I wonder if they'd give McCartin or Blakey a spell? They've both been going OK.

[bloodspirit]

I agree with your analysis liz and therefore I think Fox will be dropped because McVeigh offers more. The match committee have tended to be ok with moving players around quite fluidly and even though we are losing an inside mid and a utility, I think they will countenance replacing them with a forward and a utility. This is why we require players to be so versatile these days. Maybe Dawson (or Mills or even COR) play more midfield minutes.

In: Menzel, McVeigh

Out: Kennedy, Fox

[bloodspirit]

Meant to add, the injury list is typically uninformative.

Naismith and Smith's return dates are listed "TBC". (FFS!) Reynolds and McLean aren't listed at all despite not having played recently. See here: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-...-list-round-11.

However, I have seen for the first time that McLean did get allocated jumper #41. I wonder which numbers Knoll and Hirst will get. Presumably #39 and #48?

[Blood Fever]

Let Ramps kick in, i dont reckon Lloyd or McVeigh can kick 45m

Agree with this. More penetration. Wonder if it's to do with fact that he is too important if we turn it over from kick in.

[waswan]

Lloyd's kicked 55m set shots for goal.

Have tou been watching him kick in ?
Long down line to edge of square, way too narrow
He should be running off somone marking it 25m out

[Ruck'n'Roll]

If Mills isn't going into the mids to replace Joey or George, but stays down back then I'm not sure there is the same urgency to bring back McV for steadiness/organisational purposes.
Which means bringing Rowbottom into the midfield. Although I'd like to see Stoddart get a 3rd game in the seniors too.

I'm also a bit unsure about having Buddy, Menzel, Blakey, Reid and McCartin in the same forward line.

[Ralph Dawg]

I just can't see where Menzel fits if you don't drop McCartain or Blakey, which would be a shame as both are the future of the club and are currently playing well. Menzel needs to earn his spot and come in when the need arises. He certainly shouldn't replace Hayward as has been suggested as he lacks the forward pressure Will provides.
Macca could come in (shift Mills into the midfield) but I would prefer Stoddart. That kid can run and has a good kick on him. Like McCartain and Blakey, he is the future.

[bloodspirit]

My suggested ins and outs are what I think might happen rather than my preference. I would be delighted and excited to see Stoddart and Rowbottom selected.

[stevoswan]

Sound logic always wins in the end.

That would have had much more credibility coming from someone else.....

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Not sure a captain of a club should be engaging in borderline activities or goal post climbing in the dying moments of tight contests though . Needs to settle down a bit . Form good, just cut out the weird stuff that has the potential to cost us games .

+1

[wolftone57]

Sinkers is an average Ruckman who gets towled up by good Ruckman and breaks even against the rest.
Geelong don't have s strong ruck division so he will go ok against them.

Yes I think they got Sinkas as a back up and then the unthinkable actually happened and Naismith did his knee. He tries hard but just does not have the rucking skill set. He is good as a back up Ruck forward but not as a first ruck.

I think he probably won't figure in a premiership tilt unless he plays mostly as a forward. His HO to advantage figures are dreadful and his HO stats against good rucks are appalling. Naismith, when he plays has a good ratio of both bug lacks a forward presence while resting.

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[wolftone57]

Macca will gain nothing by playing in the magoos.
In the seniors an experienced head can make a huge difference, especially to a young and, on average, inexperienced side.
And even though Macca not be fleet of foot anymore the way he can move through traffic is generally smooth and controlled. He doesn't tend to handball/kick to a teammate under immediate pressure.

Yes he will. Match fitness. Better than getting it in the seniors

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[707]

Menzel won't come in after just two NEAFL games on managed minutes. No rush to bring him in, given the seriousness of his injury, keep him coming along slowly, two more NEAFL games, then the bye. Look at him after the bye unless we get injuries before then.

Blakey will probably move up the ground when Menzel is added to the forward line.

This week minimum change, Macca in for JPK, move Mills to a wing, Dawson into the centre, we know it makes sense!