Changes for Round 11 Geelong

[crackedactor]

I just can't see where Menzel fits if you don't drop McCartain or Blakey, which would be a shame as both are the future of the club and are currently playing well. Menzel needs to earn his spot and come in when the need arises. He certainly shouldn't replace Hayward as has been suggested as he lacks the forward pressure Will provides.
Macca could come in (shift Mills into the midfield) but I would prefer Stoddart. That kid can run and has a good kick on him. Like McCartain and Blakey, he is the future.

Actually I was thinking Hayward should make way for Menzel. That won't change the structure of the. Forward line too much. If Macca comes into the side I hope they stick with COR, as he does have some serious pace, unlike Thurlow. Out should be Kennedy, Hayward Thurlow, the ins should be Macca, Menzel and Rowbottom.


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[Nico]

Good points in there Liz.

If Macca comes in, it must not be at the expense of Thurlow or COR. That would be a retrograde step. Releasing Mills to the mids for at least a couple of games would be a popular outcome here on RWO.

I've been impressed with Clarke and to a lesser extent Fox in defensive roles. Clarke on Higgins / Sidebum and Fox on Saad / Polec although his role was less clear last week. I don't think there's any way an underdone McVeigh could replace either, but if Fox made way for Mills it would have to be in a different role.

The other question is who makes way for Menzel if they decide to play him against his former club, which would have a nice symmetry about it with Gaz doing the same. If we play Reid, McCartin, Buddy, Blakey and Menzel that's a forward line lacking in smalls... I wonder if they'd give McCartin or Blakey a spell? They've both been going OK.

To me Hayward is the obvious one to go out for Menzel. He was less than inspiring last week. If Menzel doesn't come in this week Hayward will need to lift his game big time and become desperate to keep his spot.

[111431]

To me Hayward is the obvious one to go out for Menzel. He was less than inspiring last week. If Menzel doesn't come in this week Hayward will need to lift his game big time and become desperate to keep his spot.

I agree- young Will has been disappointing

[chammond]

Yes I think they got Sinkas as a back up and then the unthinkable actually happened and Naismith did his knee. He tries hard but just does not have the rucking skill set. He is good as a back up Ruck forward but not as a first ruck.

I think he probably won't figure in a premiership tilt unless he plays mostly as a forward. His HO to advantage figures are dreadful and his HO stats against good rucks are appalling. Naismith, when he plays has a good ratio of both bug lacks a forward presence while resting.

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Well . . . . no. That's not right. There is nothing dreadful or appalling about his ruck game. He's not the best tap ruckman, and not as good as Naismith, but he's far from the worst. He's certainly better than Lobbe, Martin and Nankervis, and not far off Kreuzer, McEvoy and Stanley, and better than any of them as an out-and-out forward. And he rarely gets injured.
All-in-all, we could do (and have done) a lot worse.

[ernie koala]

Just a thought....But how about we drop those who didn't perform in the Seniors, and play those who played well in the 2's

OUT : Kennedy (inj), Fox, Hayward

IN : Rowbottom, Menzel, Stoddart

[barry]

Well . . . . no. That's not right. There is nothing dreadful or appalling about his ruck game. He's not the best tap ruckman, and not as good as Naismith, but he's far from the worst. He's certainly better than Lobbe, Martin and Nankervis, and not far off Kreuzer, McEvoy and Stanley, and better than any of them as an out-and-out forward. And he rarely gets injured.
All-in-all, we could do (and have done) a lot worse.

Actually, I think Sinkers is one of the worst first-choice tap ruckman going around at the moment. He does make up for it a bit around the ground, but a big reason why we are struggling this year is getting thrashed in the middle because of weak ruck division.

[wolftone57]

Well . . . . no. That's not right. There is nothing dreadful or appalling about his ruck game. He's not the best tap ruckman, and not as good as Naismith, but he's far from the worst. He's certainly better than Lobbe, Martin and Nankervis, and not far off Kreuzer, McEvoy and Stanley, and better than any of them as an out-and-out forward. And he rarely gets injured.
All-in-all, we could do (and have done) a lot worse.

Look he is not better than Nankervis at all. For pure rucking Toby is streets ahead. At least he hits to advantage more often than Sinkas. I like Sinkas as a forward pinching in the Ruck. Not as, a first Ruck man. But we seem to have a lot of forward Ruck men. Not sure if his talent is any better than the others.

The reason for drafting Knoll is that he is a real Ruck man or is turning into one. He is strong, hits to advantage, gets lots of hit outs, look only at the latest figures not the early figures because he only changed sports three years ago. He seems to have shown continued improvement and is seen as possibly the best Ruck in the SANFL on current form.

The dreadful and appalling is the waste of taps. When he does get them, and sometimes when he wins the Ruck battles, it is the lack of any taps to advantage and the taps at the feet of the mids that are just terrible. That is the worst place you can put a ball to a mid. That is crunch city and injury inducing. If we don't gat a real Ruck in soon the chances of losing more miss is rather high.

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[wolftone57]

Menzel won't come in after just two NEAFL games on managed minutes. No rush to bring him in, given the seriousness of his injury, keep him coming along slowly, two more NEAFL games, then the bye. Look at him after the bye unless we get injuries before then.

Blakey will probably move up the ground when Menzel is added to the forward line.

This week minimum change, Macca in for JPK, move Mills to a wing, Dawson into the centre, we know it makes sense!

'we know it makes sense' channeling Sam Kekovich? Oh what fun

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[neilfws]

The reason for drafting Knoll is that he is a real Ruck man or is turning into one

Good photos from training today, they have Knoll up against Sinclair already

Sydney Swans on Twitter: "First session as Swans for our mid-season draftees Cody Hirst and Michael Knoll ???? #ProudlySydney… "

[Nico]

Actually, I think Sinkers is one of the worst first-choice tap ruckman going around at the moment. He does make up for it a bit around the ground, but a big reason why we are struggling this year is getting thrashed in the middle because of weak ruck division.

Can't agree Bazza. My hobby horse is our centre clearance record for years. Our mids and how we set up are the problem. They spend too much time blocking instead of making a beeline for the ball. Sinkers has good second efforts when the ball hits the ground in the guts. Works as hard as anyone in the side.

[wolftone57]

Can't agree Bazza. My hobby horse is our centre clearance record for years. Our mids and how we set up are the problem. They spend too much time blocking instead of making a beeline for the ball. Sinkers has good second efforts when the ball hits the ground in the guts. Works as hard as anyone in the side.

Yes his second efforts are excellent but his taps are a disaster.

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[Auntie.Gerald]

Fascinating decisions by the snr playing group and coaches this week

I’d love to see us continue with our current backline despite macca still a very very good decision maker for our transitions and for structure in defence

I think macca staying out and letting us continue in developing our backline is crucial for next year as well as macca not adding to much compared what we saw last week

Menzel a totally different equation though given him having another few years as a player and given his forward leadership and avge of two goals a game

The below is a serious forward line rotation that becomes bloody tough to stop as the year goes on. These targets truly demand the opposition to look to playing a spare defender where ever possible which helps our midfield have a fair contest if not an unfair advantage at the contested ball

Menzel
Buddy
Blakey
Reid
Hawyard
Paps
Dawson

[longmile]

Fascinating decisions by the snr playing group and coaches this week

I’d love to see us continue with our current backline despite macca still a very very good decision maker for our transitions and for structure in defence

I think macca staying out and letting us continue in developing our backline is crucial for next year as well as macca not adding to much compared what we saw last week

Menzel a totally different equation though given him having another few years as a player and given his forward leadership and avge of two goals a game

The below is a serious forward line rotation that becomes bloody tough to stop as the year goes on. These targets truly demand the opposition to look to playing a spare defender where ever possible which helps our midfield have a fair contest if not an unfair advantage at the contested ball

Menzel
Buddy
Blakey
Reid
Hawyard
Paps
Dawson

I agree 100% with the danger of this forward line offensivelt, my one concern, especially with both Hayward and Menzel is our forward pressure and tackling inside forward 50. Arguably only Papley has elite forward pressure.

[dimelb]

Fascinating decisions by the snr playing group and coaches this week

I’d love to see us continue with our current backline despite macca still a very very good decision maker for our transitions and for structure in defence

I think macca staying out and letting us continue in developing our backline is crucial for next year as well as macca not adding to much compared what we saw last week

Menzel a totally different equation though given him having another few years as a player and given his forward leadership and avge of two goals a game

The below is a serious forward line rotation that becomes bloody tough to stop as the year goes on. These targets truly demand the opposition to look to playing a spare defender where ever possible which helps our midfield have a fair contest if not an unfair advantage at the contested ball

Menzel
Buddy
Blakey
Reid
Hawyard
Paps
Dawson

Impressive lineup AG. I look for the inclusion , in due time, of a sorted-out fired up Ronke.

[Auntie.Gerald]

McCarten
Ronke

as well makes 9 to choose from