#AFL Round 15 Weekly Discussion Thread

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  • barry
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2003
    • 8499

    #31
    Originally posted by Sandridge
    Like GWS or not, they were crucified Friday night. 29-14 free kick count against them and a lot of the Bombers frees were paid when and where it counted. Then, of course, there was the touched goal they got. Wonder how the Bomber fans who complained about Dane Rampe when we beat them feel about the armchair ride they got on Friday.
    When it comes to exposing the pro-vic rort of umpiring, it is a case of United we stand, divided we fall

    Take a look at the historical free kicks for/against on AFL.com.au match day for Vic side hosting non Vic side. Very rarely does the free kick favour suit the non Vic.

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    • Mel_C
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      • Jan 2003
      • 4470

      #32
      Originally posted by Sandridge
      Like GWS or not, they were crucified Friday night. 29-14 free kick count against them and a lot of the Bombers frees were paid when and where it counted. Then, of course, there was the touched goal they got. Wonder how the Bomber fans who complained about Dane Rampe when we beat them feel about the armchair ride they got on Friday.
      The Essendon supporters rang up talk back radio and said it was justice because they were robbed when Rampe climbed the post. Unbelievable!

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      • dejavoodoo44
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        • Apr 2015
        • 8625

        #33
        Lions v Demons has been a real harem scarem game, so far. Though for people who get too upset by turnovers, it's probably not the game for them. Both teams playing at a very fast pace, but missing plenty of targets, mainly going into the forward fifty. Then the other team runs and guns: etc.
        Though Brisbane finally got a handy lead, after a four goal third quarter by Hipwood.

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        Originally posted by Mel_C
        The Essendon supporters rang up talk back radio and said it was justice because they were robbed when Rampe climbed the post. Unbelievable!
        I'm not sure if Giants supporters would consider that a valid argument.

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        • Sandridge
          Outer wing, Lake Oval
          • Apr 2010
          • 2076

          #34
          It's been Turnover City. Brisbane's turned it over lots of times but the Dees have been diabolical! A shadow of the team they were last year.
          Long suffering Melbourne suppporters continue to feel the pain.

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          • dejavoodoo44
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            • Apr 2015
            • 8625

            #35
            Originally posted by Sandridge
            It's been Turnover City. Brisbane's turned it over lots of times but the Dees have been diabolical! A shadow of the team they were last year.
            Long suffering Melbourne suppporters continue to feel the pain.
            Yes, I think the Demons now can be officially written off for the year. Though I haven't seen them enough, to have any real idea of what went wrong.

            On the other hand, I've been enjoying the Lions. After years of having many of their best players poached, it's good to see them contending again. They're good to watch, as well. They go in hard and they have plenty of flair up forward; with Cameron, Hipwood and Zorko. Andrews down back should be All-Australian. I even quite like Mitch Robinson.

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            • Beerman
              Regular in the Side
              • Oct 2010
              • 823

              #36
              Originally posted by barry
              When it comes to exposing the pro-vic rort of umpiring, it is a case of United we stand, divided we fall

              Take a look at the historical free kicks for/against on AFL.com.au match day for Vic side hosting non Vic side. Very rarely does the free kick favour suit the non Vic.
              Yes, but home teams normally get an advantage, so you have to factor that into the equation as well.

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              • barry
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                • Jan 2003
                • 8499

                #37
                Originally posted by Beerman
                Yes, but home teams normally get an advantage, so you have to factor that into the equation as well.
                I don't believe we (or GWS) get a favourable free kick count for home games.

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                • Blood Fever
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                  • Apr 2007
                  • 4048

                  #38
                  Originally posted by barry
                  I don't believe we (or GWS) get a favourable free kick count for home games.
                  Are there any NSW based umpires, or QLD for that matter?

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                  • 56-14
                    Warming the Bench
                    • Dec 2015
                    • 260

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Beerman
                    Yes, but home teams normally get an advantage, so you have to factor that into the equation as well.
                    The Free Kick counts for the Essendon & GWS matches this year:
                    - Round 1 - at Giants - GWS 23, Essendon12.
                    - Round 15 - at Marvel - Essendon 29, GWS 14.

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                    • dejavoodoo44
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                      • Apr 2015
                      • 8625

                      #40
                      After Fremantle's surprise loss to Carlton, they are now the bottom team in the eight, on 28 points. Which means that we're now only one win and percentage outside of the eight.

                      Although I'm not all that confident about beating Essendon, with Sinclair and Franklin missing, it is actually possible for us to be in the eight, at the completion of the next round. Firstly, we need to beat Essendon by over 25 points, to go above them on percentage. Then Port and Fremantle need to suffer heavy losses, in their respective local derbies. Then North either has to lose against St Kilda; or beat them by about ten points less than the margin that we had beaten Essendon by.

                      Long odds, of course: but if it's possible to be in the eight next week, then it's very possible to be in the eight at season's end.

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                      • Markwebbos
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                        • Jul 2016
                        • 7186

                        #41
                        I feel like the Bombers game is pretty season defining. Win it and we’ll be in a position to make the eight. Lose it and its pretty tough.

                        We’ve got Carlton (h), Freo (a) after that

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                        • barry
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                          • Jan 2003
                          • 8499

                          #42
                          Originally posted by 56-14
                          The Free Kick counts for the Essendon & GWS matches this year:
                          - Round 1 - at Giants - GWS 23, Essendon12.
                          - Round 15 - at Marvel - Essendon 29, GWS 14.
                          You can pull random samples out anywhere. I'm sure there is a game sometime where we had more free kicks than the dogs. Does that cancel out the grand final ?
                          GWS dominated round 1 game, and the free kick team usually favours the dominant team (all things being fair).

                          Like I said in my post, take a larger sample set of vic v non-vic in melbourne. There is a very strong trend there against the non-vic teams.

                          I cant imagine in any serious sport in the world where this sort of imbalance is tolerated. Unfortunetly in the AFL, the umpires are unaccountable, and since this has been going on for so long, there is no review process with penalty/rewards in place for fair performances.

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                          Originally posted by Blood Fever
                          Are there any NSW based umpires, or QLD for that matter?
                          Razor Ray is from ACT, and probably the fairest umpire out there.

                          Thats all I'm aware of.

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                          • Blood Fever
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 4048

                            #43
                            Originally posted by barry
                            You can pull random samples out anywhere. I'm sure there is a game sometime where we had more free kicks than the dogs. Does that cancel out the grand final ?
                            GWS dominated round 1 game, and the free kick team usually favours the dominant team (all things being fair).

                            Like I said in my post, take a larger sample set of vic v non-vic in melbourne. There is a very strong trend there against the non-vic teams.

                            I cant imagine in any serious sport in the world where this sort of imbalance is tolerated. Unfortunetly in the AFL, the umpires are unaccountable, and since this has been going on for so long, there is no review process with penalty/rewards in place for fair performances.

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                            Razor Ray is from ACT, and probably the fairest umpire out there.

                            Thats all I'm aware of.
                            His buddying up with players annoy me but you are right about his independence

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                            • dejavoodoo44
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                              • Apr 2015
                              • 8625

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Markwebbos
                              I feel like the Bombers game is pretty season defining. Win it and we’ll be in a position to make the eight. Lose it and its pretty tough.

                              We’ve got Carlton (h), Freo (a) after that
                              Yes, win the Essendon game and I'd be reasonably optimistic about playing in the finals. Lose that, and my gathering optimism would take a hit.

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                              • bloodspirit
                                Clubman
                                • Apr 2015
                                • 4448

                                #45
                                Beating Essendon is imperative but not enough. Our matches against Essendon, Freo (unless they go into a death spiral) and Port are all critical. Of the opponents we have left they are the ones who we are most directly competing with for a spot in the 8.

                                Great post by Beerman. And always enjoying your posts, deja and Markwebbos.
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