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  • MattW
    Veterans List
    • May 2011
    • 4195

    #46
    It was interesting to hear in the injury report today that Buddy has been training for a week and a half. Presuming he doesn't injure himself playing in his 300th in round 23, one positive of Buddy rehabbing his injury late in this season is that he should be in a position to put in a full preseason, build up his fitness and be ready to go from round 1. It has been a while, I suspect, since Buddy had a surgery-free off-season; his most reason pre-season was significantly truncated by recovering from groin surgery, which could have affected his fitness base and contributed to the injury.

    The same goes for Naismith, who was still rehabbing over the recent offseason. Harry Cunningham is another player we have missed who should be ready to rip in from the start of pre-season. Also, generally, a benefit of the of pre-finals bye is it allows players who need surgery to get an earlier opportunity to have it and rehab it, and thus miss less preseason.

    Separately, it does seem like we have had too many players re-injure themselves this year. It will be interesting to see whether there is any personnel change in the medical staff before next season.

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    • Blood Fever
      Veterans List
      • Apr 2007
      • 4040

      #47
      Originally posted by MattW
      It was interesting to hear in the injury report today that Buddy has been training for a week and a half. Presuming he doesn't injure himself playing in his 300th in round 23, one positive of Buddy rehabbing his injury late in this season is that he should be in a position to put in a full preseason, build up his fitness and be ready to go from round 1. It has been a while, I suspect, since Buddy had a surgery-free off-season; his most reason pre-season was significantly truncated by recovering from groin surgery, which could have affected his fitness base and contributed to the injury.

      The same goes for Naismith, who was still rehabbing over the recent offseason. Harry Cunningham is another player we have missed who should be ready to rip in from the start of pre-season. Also, generally, a benefit of the of pre-finals bye is it allows players who need surgery to get an earlier opportunity to have it and rehab it, and thus miss less preseason.

      Separately, it does seem like we have had too many players re-injure themselves this year. It will be interesting to see whether there is any personnel change in the medical staff before next season.
      Good burst of optimism MW. Buddy and Naismith, barring any further setbacks, should be both fresh as daisies. If Sam Reid can get through almost a whole year, anything is possible.

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      • Ralph Dawg
        Senior Player
        • Apr 2018
        • 1729

        #48
        Originally posted by MattW
        It was interesting to hear in the injury report today that Buddy has been training for a week and a half. Presuming he doesn't injure himself playing in his 300th in round 23, one positive of Buddy rehabbing his injury late in this season is that he should be in a position to put in a full preseason, build up his fitness and be ready to go from round 1. It has been a while, I suspect, since Buddy had a surgery-free off-season; his most reason pre-season was significantly truncated by recovering from groin surgery, which could have affected his fitness base and contributed to the injury.

        The same goes for Naismith, who was still rehabbing over the recent offseason. Harry Cunningham is another player we have missed who should be ready to rip in from the start of pre-season. Also, generally, a benefit of the of pre-finals bye is it allows players who need surgery to get an earlier opportunity to have it and rehab it, and thus miss less preseason.

        Separately, it does seem like we have had too many players re-injure themselves this year. It will be interesting to see whether there is any personnel change in the medical staff before next season.
        So if Buddy re injures his groin or hamstring, setting his pre season back another 4-8 weeks, or does a completely new injury due in part to being not match fit, would it be worth it in the context of the match being meaningless (other than being a farewell game for Jack and Macca)? Same goes for Naismith given we've got the ruck pretty well covered in the NEAFL.

        My feeling is put them on ice for season 2019 and give them as best a chance as possible to hit 2020 in tip top shape.

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        • MattW
          Veterans List
          • May 2011
          • 4195

          #49
          Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
          So if Buddy re injures his groin or hamstring, setting his pre season back another 4-8 weeks, or does a completely new injury due in part to being not match fit, would it be worth it in the context of the match being meaningless (other than being a farewell game for Jack and Macca)? Same goes for Naismith given we've got the ruck pretty well covered in the NEAFL.

          My feeling is put them on ice for season 2019 and give them as best a chance as possible to hit 2020 in tip top shape.
          I reached the same conclusion re Buddy, when writing that post.

          I have a different view re Naismith. John mentioned at a presser the other day that Sam needs to play, for his psychology, after being out for so long. He could string a few together in a NEAFL finals run, unlike Buddy who would only play a single game.

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          • MattW
            Veterans List
            • May 2011
            • 4195

            #50
            Originally posted by Blood Fever
            Good burst of optimism MW. Buddy and Naismith, barring any further setbacks, should be both fresh as daisies. If Sam Reid can get through almost a whole year, anything is possible.
            Ha, thanks. I was going to start a 'Things to be optimistic about' thread with that post, but I didn't think it'd get too much traffic.

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            • dimelb
              pr. dim-melb; m not f
              • Jun 2003
              • 6889

              #51
              Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
              So if Buddy re injures his groin or hamstring, setting his pre season back another 4-8 weeks, or does a completely new injury due in part to being not match fit, would it be worth it in the context of the match being meaningless (other than being a farewell game for Jack and Macca)? Same goes for Naismith given we've got the ruck pretty well covered in the NEAFL.

              My feeling is put them on ice for season 2019 and give them as best a chance as possible to hit 2020 in tip top shape.
              I feel likewise.
              He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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              • goswannies
                Senior Player
                • Sep 2007
                • 3048

                #52
                Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
                So if Buddy re injures his groin or hamstring, setting his pre season back another 4-8 weeks, or does a completely new injury due in part to being not match fit, would it be worth it in the context of the match being meaningless (other than being a farewell game for Jack and Macca)? Same goes for Naismith given we've got the ruck pretty well covered in the NEAFL.

                My feeling is put them on ice for season 2019 and give them as best a chance as possible to hit 2020 in tip top shape.
                Their farewell game and something about Bud’s 300th ...

                But the odds of a decent crowd and the end of a disappointing season to see a not in-significant milestone match? Perhaps more might turn up if Macca & Kizza are playing and if Reg & Smith do a lap of honour together but if Macca & Kizza don’t play it might be a flat crowd for a champion’s 300th

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                • bloodspirit
                  Clubman
                  • Apr 2015
                  • 4448

                  #53
                  The Swans commented on the difficulty of getting medical and allied health staff with AFL backgrounds in Sydney. They said while we have a good doctor, his background is more with rugby, and this seems to be a significant difference in their minds.
                  All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                  • 0918330512
                    Senior Player
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 1654

                    #54
                    Originally posted by bloodspirit
                    The Swans commented on the difficulty of getting medical and allied health staff with AFL backgrounds in Sydney. They said while we have a good doctor, his background is more with rugby, and this seems to be a significant difference in their minds.
                    Ralph Dawg? How about a period of secondment to fill a gap at the club?

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                    • Meg
                      Go Swannies!
                      Site Admin
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 4828

                      #55
                      Originally posted by bloodspirit
                      The Swans commented on the difficulty of getting medical and allied health staff with AFL backgrounds in Sydney. They said while we have a good doctor, his background is more with rugby, and this seems to be a significant difference in their minds.
                      ? Where did you read that? Grateful for a link if you can provide.

                      Interesting comment, Tom Cross has been with Swans since 1998 (assistant doctor before becoming the head doctor). Think he should know a bit about AFL by now .....

                      Nathan Gibbs (previous head doctor) was also from a rugby background. A comment he made has always stuck in my mind: he said that in rugby when trying to get to an injured player on the field he would wait for a gap in play near the player and run there. He soon found that in AFL a gap on the field was where the ball was likely to be kicked next, so instead he needed to run where the play was currently going on and the field crowded. By the time he got to the spot there was usually some space to get to the injured player.

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                      • Mel_C
                        Veterans List
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 4470

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Meg
                        ? Where did you read that? Grateful for a link if you can provide.
                        .
                        Meg I think I read it in that article a few weeks back from Caroline Wilson about the 4 Northern clubs having trouble retaining and recruiting players. Pridham mentioned that it was also hard to entice off field personnel including medical staff. He said we had a good doctor but that he came from a rugby background.

                        I have wondered does it make a difference how a doctor treats and rehabs a player depending on whether they play AFL or rugby?

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                        • bloodspirit
                          Clubman
                          • Apr 2015
                          • 4448

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Mel_C
                          Meg I think I read it in that article a few weeks back from Caroline Wilson about the 4 Northern clubs having trouble retaining and recruiting players. Pridham mentioned that it was also hard to entice off field personnel including medical staff. He said we had a good doctor but that he came from a rugby background.

                          I have wondered does it make a difference how a doctor treats and rehabs a player depending on whether they play AFL or rugby?
                          I don't remember now exactly where I read it, Meg, but what Mel_C has written sounds exactly as I recall it (except that I didn't remember it being Pridham who said it). It was fairly recent (i.e. a few weeks ago).

                          I also didn't realise Tom Cross had been with us so long. Here's his comments on the difference between AFL and NRL:

                          In AFL there’s approximately two hours of exposure time in the game and some players are on the field for most of that. In turn, they’re at risk of soft tissue and bony injuries, so there are more overuse injuries in AFL than NRL. In NRL, there are many more collision injuries given the nature of the front-on tackling and the number of collisions in the game. They come from this article: Coffee with Cynthia: Dr Tom Cross - sydneyswans.com.au.
                          All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                          • Mel_C
                            Veterans List
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 4470

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Meg
                            ? Where did you read that? Grateful for a link if you can provide.
                            Meg the link to the article is in the COLA thread.

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                            • Ralph Dawg
                              Senior Player
                              • Apr 2018
                              • 1729

                              #59
                              Originally posted by 09183305
                              Ralph Dawg? How about a period of secondment to fill a gap at the club?
                              Would love it but as an anaesthetist, my answer to most medical problems is to put the patient to sleep!

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                              • Meg
                                Go Swannies!
                                Site Admin
                                • Aug 2011
                                • 4828

                                #60
                                Originally posted by Mel_C
                                Meg the link to the article is in the COLA thread.
                                Thanks, found it. The relevant quote is actually from Tony Shepherd CEO of GWS, not from the Swans. Nor (in the article) does Shepherd explain why he thinks it is a disadvantage having a doctor coming from a rugby background.

                                However I think the point he was trying to underline was that the only way to get staff (coaching and medical ) with AFL experience was to get them to move from the ttaditional AFL states. And such people wanted more money to relocate to Sydney because of the high cost of living in Sydney.

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