#AFL Round 18 Dockers v Swans Sat 20-Jul at Optus Stadium #AFLDockersSwans @sydneyswans

**0918330512** · 21 July 2019, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by lwjoyner

agree with everything said on LLoyd. Gets most of his kick when alone and still does not do anything with them. I will say it again how did he win the B&F last year, has to be the worst B&F winner of all time. Need someone else to take kick out as well Lloyd to slow to get it moving.

Yup, whoever awards votes for our B&F have no idea

... oh, and neither to the umpires (as he was equal fifth among our Brownlow vote pollers) or the All Australian selectors since he was among the nominees for AA status last season too

Clearly had a crappy 2018 season

**Markwebbos** · 21 July 2019, 10:47 AM

Melican is OK but the very last passage of play sums him up. I think he’s actually down on confidence a bit.

They defended well. Hamelin in particular. Whenever Paps centred the ball there were three of them and only one Swan.

Having said that if McCartin or Lloyd had kicked straight we would have won.

Our young side must be buggered by now, but still hope we’ll be in with a sniff against the Cats.

**royboy42** · 21 July 2019, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by barry

I admire your optimism , but backing up from a Perth trip against the top team on a hard, slippery cricket wicket will be tough.

You're always good for a laugh, Baz...or , at least, a wry smile.

The sneaky , almost unnoticed blade between the ribs.

"hard, slippery cricket wicket'?

AS distinct from the Elysian field that is ANZ?

You're wonderful.

**royboy42** · 21 July 2019, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Agent 86

I’m not sure. He just seems a bit dopey at times - and then he’ll stick out an arm to make it look an attempt to mark/collect the ball/tackle - and then he’ll seemingly lack some urgency when disposing.

Then again, sometimes he looks composed when all around him there is panic.

So, I’m a bit each way at the moment.

Remember a 'Deer caught in the headlights' type of defender we used to have?

Won us a Grandy with a calculated, brilliant mark at the G in '05?

**Agent 86** · 21 July 2019, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by royboy42

You're always good for a laugh, Baz...or , at least, a wry smile.

The sneaky , almost unnoticed blade between the ribs.

"hard, slippery cricket wicket'?

AS distinct from the Elysian field that is ANZ?

You're wonderful.

Ouch. Didn’t feel that blade at all. Perhaps I’m a bit too literal.

**Jeynez** · 21 July 2019, 11:52 AM

Is Lloyd RWO’s new whipping boy or something?

**goswannies** · 21 July 2019, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by Jeynez

Is Lloyd RWO’s new whipping boy or something?

Not for me! His name alone will always make him a favourite for me!

**Agent 86** · 21 July 2019, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by 09183305

Yup, whoever awards votes for our B&F have no idea

... oh, and neither to the umpires (as he was equal fifth among our Brownlow vote pollers) or the All Australian selectors since he was among the nominees for AA status last season too

Clearly had a crappy 2018 season

Fair point.

**Ralph Dawg** · 21 July 2019, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by Nico

For the third week in a row our finishing cost us the game. Did someone say Hayward did some nice things. For mine he was our worst player and that is saying something when you have Melican in the side. Hayward gave us nothing and he doesn't like the hurley burley of the game. Florent was poor and his disposal was even worse. For most of the team you couldn't question the effort, inexperience is one thing but downright poor disposal cannot be forgiven. Papley centred the ball from the pocket 3 times directly to Freo players. No point centreing the ball if there is no one there.

Jake Lloyd had 42 possessions and no tackles. He refuses to move the ball on and rarely kicks more than 20 metres. Some of his piddling kicks were based on poor decisons and lack of accuracy. Mind you a lot of stats are from kick outs. And don't mention his sloppy kick for goal.

We outplayed Freo most of the game but it didn't show on the scoreboard. Our backline apart from Melican has been superb but delivery forward from the midfield is rubbish.

I thought Kennedy was very good and again Rampe shone in the backline.

If we get the finishing right, even 20% we will be an infinitely better team, given in all but 2 games we have been in the game at 3Q time. There was te time in the last quarter when Reid tried to pass to Papley with a much taller player on his tail and of course the ball was knocked away.

Looking for positives Nico. Hayward is certainly not back to his best but there was definitely improved effort and intensity. For long periods, Freo couldn't clear out of defensive 50 and he was a big part of that. In fact, could say the same for the whole team but until we score more than 50 odd points, we will be struggling to win too much (suspect in part it's a product of a very young forward line).

I think you're also about harsh on Melican. Another when hearted performer who realistically should be playing on a third talk but due to our depleted KP defenders, is playing on a monster, giving away cms and kgs every week. His disposal is actually really good, much better than others who at times almost seem they don't want to take responsibility and fob it off to a team mate.

**Agent 86** · 21 July 2019, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by royboy42

Remember a 'Deer caught in the headlights' type of defender we used to have?

Won us a Grandy with a calculated, brilliant mark at the G in '05?

What a star!

For me he was like when your 2 year old grabs hold of the Ming vase: this could go 1 of 2 ways…

**0918330512** · 21 July 2019, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by Agent 86

Fair point.

It’s the same with many (not all) of our players - they approach coming out of contract and we desperately want them re-signed, abhor approaches from other clubs offering big $$, value them highly if we think they might depart. Once they are securely under contract again we can go back to exaggerating their perceived flaws if we need a scapegoat after a loss

**Go Swannies** · 21 July 2019, 12:45 PM

I'm glad we lost - and the way we lost. Lots of effort and much unrewarded. They will learn more from that than getting a slim win against another also-ran. We won't be playing finals this year but I think we have an exciting young team that will be amazing when it gels. And does the coach get any credit for those heart-in-mouth links down the middle of the ground? This year we may get a Top 6 pick in the draft and that could count for much more, long term, than fighting our way up to 10th.

I hope they show the same effort against the Cats - and that would be a great one to win. Kicking to someone in the forward 50 who isn't either the opposition or someone who subsequently misses (I'm looking at you Tom Papley for all those kicks to Freo talls) would be nice, too. And what's with the Lloyd hate - I'm guessing he doesn't get much goal kicking practice with our forwards coach - and he only really needs it when playing a Ross Lyons coached team?

Finally, I presume Zac Jones is playing to instructions. He does some great things then decides to do some more until he gets caught. He must be told to do that, perhaps because Swans Membership still has a cache of Leo Barry heart relaxers to dispense?

**Agent 86** · 21 July 2019, 01:15 PM