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  • Plugger1300
    Warming the Bench
    • Feb 2010
    • 310

    #16
    strategically not trying to win........
    That's the only reason why i can fathom not playing a genuine ruckman
    While we systemically get beat in the middle every week

    Play Knoll
    Why pick the guy up and not play him

    Play Reid forward
    Play Aliir back
    JPK to play 60% forward 40% midfield
    Melbourne's midfield isn't exactly killing it
    So let's try the young guys in there

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    • bloodspirit
      Clubman
      • Apr 2015
      • 4448

      #17
      Originally posted by Plugger1300
      strategically not trying to win........
      That's the only reason why i can fathom not playing a genuine ruckman
      While we systemically get beat in the middle every week

      Play Knoll
      Why pick the guy up and not play him

      Play Reid forward
      Play Aliir back
      JPK to play 60% forward 40% midfield
      Melbourne's midfield isn't exactly killing it
      So let's try the young guys in there
      I don't think so. We were playing without a ruck and then tried a different strategy and picked McLean to ruck. While he is not a pure ruck to me this suggests we rated him as closest to AFL ready, ahead of Knoll and Amartey and his good efforts since being selected have vindicated the selectors faith in him, albeit they haven't solved our ruck problems. So while it might be time to change tack and try one of the other rucks instead (whose form may present a different picture to 4 weeks ago also), to me this does not mean we were effectively tanking. Selecting a player who isn't ready isn't necessarily only harmful to the team, it could actually be counterproductive to a player's development if they lose confidence. This is where we have to trust the coaches who work closely with the players every day to get the decisions right. Sometimes we may think a player will benefit from a 'taste' at AFL level (possibly this was the case with McInerney's selection earlier this year), even if they are not ready, and other times we may think that they could be so worked over that they will be set back. Other times maybe we just aren't sure how they will go and we want to see how they adapt to the higher level.
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      • AnnieH
        RWOs Black Sheep
        • Aug 2006
        • 11332

        #18
        Originally posted by 707
        Your farewell game Annie? Retiring with the rest of them?
        NOOOOOOOO!!!!
        I've still got YEARS left in me.
        Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
        Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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        • bloodspirit
          Clubman
          • Apr 2015
          • 4448

          #19
          Some people just don't know when their time has come and need to be told. I'm thinking of Brendon Goddard.
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          • wolftone57
            Veterans List
            • Aug 2008
            • 5851

            #20
            I think Knoll and Amarty are ready. They are both playing great footy.

            Bring at least one in.

            I would not change too much.

            Out: Fox or Bell. I'd prefer to keep Bell.


            In: Amarty or Knoll

            We are in a development phase. I don't see any reason to give anyone a final game next week to send them off. Send them off at half time. Let all the retirees walk the boundary at half time is a suitable send off.

            I want Aliir to play back. Reid to play forward and if possible at least some form of tall forward set up. Sick of the Reid show. Against GWS we played Dawson forward. Last week we went all defensive and played him back. Stupid. Attack, attack, attack for @@@@s sake
            What have we got to lose? A better draft pick?

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            • ugg
              Can you feel it?
              Site Admin
              • Jan 2003
              • 15968

              #21
              Jack for Jones (injured)

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              • bloodspirit
                Clubman
                • Apr 2015
                • 4448

                #22
                I would have preferred to try Amartey, or even Knoll, ahead of Jack.

                - - - Updated - - -

                I guess it's evidence they are trying to win; Jack arguably offers the most on that front.
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                • stevoswan
                  Veterans List
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 8548

                  #23
                  Originally posted by ugg
                  Jack for Jones (injured)

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                  I just got a notification on my phone and it just said, In: Jack Out: Jones. No mention of injury and I freaked! 'He's been omitted! Oh @@@@, must mean he's on the move at season's end.....WTF is going on?!'.

                  Very relieved to see he's actually injured (but not happy of course!) and not omitted.

                  Jack in though confuses me....I thought the last game at home would have been fine as a send off game. Must be 'experience out >>> experience in'.

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                  • ugg
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                    • Jan 2003
                    • 15968

                    #24
                    Melbourne have gone smaller with three genuine talls dropping out with Hore the tallest at 190cm out of the five replacements

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                    • Markwebbos
                      Veterans List
                      • Jul 2016
                      • 7186

                      #25
                      Totally mystified by that decision. Horse complains that we won zero hit-outs at the centre bounce against Ladhams and Ryder and then picks the same combination to take on arguably the best centre bounce ruckman in the comp.

                      Jack's role presumably to walk up to Gawn before the bounce and knock him out?

                      I can only assume they think we can concede the hit-outs and still win clearances and/or that playing Amartey / Knoll would have been even worse. How can we do worse than ZERO centre bounce hitouts?

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                      • rickmat
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Mar 2018
                        • 500

                        #26
                        Bewildering decision to bring Jack into side, if our aim is to encourage and test our young talent. Unless its his farewell game!! But no announcement by Jack on his retirement as yet. Maybe given Smith's announcement. Also agree regarding the ruck issue. Why not test Knoll out against Gawn. Running Amartey against Gawn might not be good for his confidence. Continuing his growth, another preseason, building up his body would be best. But Jack I am dumbfounded

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                        • Ludwig
                          Veterans List
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9359

                          #27
                          I see that Amartey is in the emergencies, which might indicate that he's ahead of Knoll. Okay, we've seen McLean for a few weeks and we see what he can do at AFL level for now. Why not play Amartey just to see where he's at? Why not get the AFL shock factor out of the way in a game that means nothing? He'll be more prepared when the time comes in a game that does count.

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                          • Swanny40519
                            Regular in the side.
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 469

                            #28
                            Strange call from the MC.

                            If we believe Horse when he says that the next 2 games will set up the 2020 season - I feel very concerned for all us Swans supporters.

                            Picking Jack and have the same midfield as the last couple of weeks, plus loosing Jones (what is the injury ?) , the Dees will be laughing all the way to victory.

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                            • MattW
                              Veterans List
                              • May 2011
                              • 4212

                              #29
                              Longmire pointedly referred to Gawn when asked earlier in the week whether Knoll or Amartey would play. I wonder whether they wanted to avoid burning them against a dominant ruck in their first game. (Although, that was McLean's fate and will be again tomorrow.)

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                              • Blood Relative
                                Warming the Bench
                                • Oct 2018
                                • 155

                                #30
                                Mc Lean has woked his arse off for the last few weeks...he plays this week to gain some training from a quality ruckman..shpuld he be called on again in the future. What's the point of throwing a first gamer like Knoll or Armartey under a bus?

                                Mc lean can only get better for tbe experience.

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