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  • Thunder Shaker
    Aut vincere aut mori
    • Apr 2004
    • 4156

    #31
    Originally posted by barry
    It's not pessimistic at all. The stats don't lie.
    We finished 15th. More importantly we played like a 15th ranked team. That's a poor season. The second biggest drop behind Melbourne.

    Anyone who thinks that's good is not doing the club any favours.
    I don't think anyone's praising the season, but this year's story was the cattle we could get on the park. We played a lot of kids because we had to, and we'll be the better for it.

    Once this crop of cygnets are a few years older, we will be formidable.
    "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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    • sprite
      Regular in the Side
      • Jan 2003
      • 813

      #32
      Originally posted by barry
      It's not pessimistic at all. The stats don't lie.
      We finished 15th. More importantly we played like a 15th ranked team. That's a poor season. The second biggest drop behind Melbourne.

      Anyone who thinks that's good is not doing the club any favours.
      Some stats do lie, as they don't take into account the reason behind them.

      Let's look at the stats:

      Playing the youngest list in the competition: you cannot expect that they will perform like 100 game veterans.

      Injuries to key players, Buddy, Sinkers, Cunningham, Haywood, Macca keeping them out for extended periods.

      Buddy's output was down 9 games and 30 goals on last year due to injury.

      Naismith out for the season and injuries to backup rucks.

      AFL conspiracy against us (gotta love that one).
      sprite

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      • Faunac8
        Senior Player
        • Mar 2014
        • 1548

        #33
        Name any 15th ranked team with the percentage our team delivered this year
        Give an example of a 15th ranked team that played “ like us “ i.e statistically and stylistically
        No one as far as I can see has said it’s good but plenty have said they were satisfied with our performance and are optimistic. I suggest you join in on the optimism and leave behind the pessimism

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        • Doctor
          Bay 29
          • Sep 2003
          • 2757

          #34
          Sam Reid played every game.
          Today's a draft of your epitaph

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          • Legs Akimbo
            Grand Poobah
            • Apr 2005
            • 2809

            #35
            Originally posted by Faunac8
            Name any 15th ranked team with the percentage our team delivered this year
            Give an example of a 15th ranked team that played “ like us “ i.e statistically and stylistically
            No one as far as I can see has said it’s good but plenty have said they were satisfied with our performance and are optimistic. I suggest you join in on the optimism and leave behind the pessimism
            On the other hand the culture of excuses isn't what wins premierships. That's why you don't hear it coming from the club. Some metrics were good, some not to good. Other clubs have injuries too. At the end of the year there's only one result that matters. Ladder position. I'm sure the team wanted to do better and are ruthless in their honesty about what they must do better. That is not antithetical to positivity and optimism given these are themselves traits for success. So is realism.
            He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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            • 56-14
              Warming the Bench
              • Dec 2015
              • 260

              #36
              15th is our lowest ever - none of the old South teams ever got lower than 12th.

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              • stevoswan
                Veterans List
                • Sep 2014
                • 8543

                #37
                Originally posted by 56-14
                15th is our lowest ever - none of the old South teams ever got lower than 12th.

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                • barry
                  Veterans List
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 8499

                  #38
                  Originally posted by 56-14
                  15th is our lowest ever - none of the old South teams ever got lower than 12th.
                  Those celebrating our worst ever finish (with Reid playing all games which negates other injuries) really are sadists.

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                  • Thunder Shaker
                    Aut vincere aut mori
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 4156

                    #39
                    Originally posted by barry
                    Those celebrating our worst ever finish (with Reid playing all games which negates other injuries) really are sadists.
                    I would take 2019 over 1993 any time.

                    I don't think anyone's celebrating this season. I suspect it's optimism for the future. Whether it's justified remains to be seen.
                    "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                    • Ruck'n'Roll
                      Ego alta, ergo ictus
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 3990

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Bloods05
                      Except it really says hardly anything.
                      The ESPN and AFL's own reviews are pap - perhaps they're called re-view's because we've all viewed this bumf before?

                      The article at the Roar contained so much more of substance: Buddy brilliant: After one 'bad' year, Sydney's rebuild is already complete

                      I'd expect the current Swans team to make the finals next year, because
                      • It's not as if we'll get less out of the over 30's - other than JPK their input was negligible.
                      • Our rucks were either part-time (Sinkers) or makeshift due to injuries - surely we couldn't have another year as bad as that?
                      • So many of the Cygnets will or have entered or will enter the 50-100 game zone - where apparently they will start to feel like they they belong at AFL level.

                      So unless something calamitous happens in trading we should be able to get to 12 wins or whatever is needed next season.
                      Last edited by Ruck'n'Roll; 2 September 2019, 01:59 PM.

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                      • AnnieH
                        RWOs Black Sheep
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 11332

                        #41
                        ...at least we didn't lose 26 games in a row.
                        Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                        Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                        • Thunder Shaker
                          Aut vincere aut mori
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 4156

                          #42
                          Our season, with games sorted by result and margins.

                          Code:
                          R22 Melbourne        W 53
                          R12 West Coast       W 45
                          R23 StKilda          W 45
                          R15 Gold Coast       W 42
                          R3  Carlton          W 19
                          R14 Hawthorn         W 19
                          R8  Essendon         W 5
                          R9  North Melbourne  W 5
                          R18 Fremantle        L 1
                          R20 GWS Giants       L 2
                          R10 Collingwood      L 7
                          R17 Carlton          L 7
                          R16 Essendon         L 10
                          R1  Western Bulldogs L 17
                          R4  Melbourne        L 22
                          R5  Richmond         L 22
                          R7  Brisbane Lions   L 22
                          R11 Geelong          L 22
                          R2  Adelaide         L 26
                          R19 Geelong          L 27
                          R6  GWS Giants       L 41
                          R21 Port Adelaide    L 47
                          Results:
                          12 points or less: 2 wins, 5 losses
                          13 to 30 points: 2 wins, 7 losses
                          31 points or more: 4 wins, 2 losses

                          Biggest win: 53 points (Melbourne)
                          Biggest loss: 47 points (Port Adelaide)
                          "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                          • barry
                            Veterans List
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 8499

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                            Our season, with games sorted by result and margins.

                            Code:
                            R22 Melbourne        W 53
                            R12 West Coast       W 45
                            R23 StKilda          W 45
                            R15 Gold Coast       W 42
                            R3  Carlton          W 19
                            R14 Hawthorn         W 19
                            R8  Essendon         W 5
                            R9  North Melbourne  W 5
                            R18 Fremantle        L 1
                            R20 GWS Giants       L 2
                            R10 Collingwood      L 7
                            R17 Carlton          L 7
                            R16 Essendon         L 10
                            R1  Western Bulldogs L 17
                            R4  Melbourne        L 22
                            R5  Richmond         L 22
                            R7  Brisbane Lions   L 22
                            R11 Geelong          L 22
                            R2  Adelaide         L 26
                            R19 Geelong          L 27
                            R6  GWS Giants       L 41
                            R21 Port Adelaide    L 47
                            Results:
                            12 points or less: 2 wins, 5 losses
                            13 to 30 points: 2 wins, 7 losses
                            31 points or more: 4 wins, 2 losses

                            Biggest win: 53 points (Melbourne)
                            Biggest loss: 47 points (Port Adelaide)
                            All of the Wins are against strugglers, except westcoast.

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                            • bloodspirit
                              Clubman
                              • Apr 2015
                              • 4448

                              #44
                              Originally posted by barry
                              All of the Wins are against strugglers, except westcoast.
                              And Hawthorn and Essendon who are, at worst, middle of the road teams. Anyway, what's your point, barry? That we're no good? Clearly we weren't any good this year. Finishing 15th is ample evidence of that. Actually our percentage suggests we're better than our 15th place. And thanks to our young talent there's cause for optimism that we'll start bouncing back, if not next year, then in the years that follow.
                              All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                              • stevoswan
                                Veterans List
                                • Sep 2014
                                • 8543

                                #45
                                Originally posted by barry
                                Those celebrating our worst ever finish (with Reid playing all games which negates other injuries) really are sadists.
                                .....or old South supporters!

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