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  • Thunder Shaker
    Aut vincere aut mori
    • Apr 2004
    • 4166

    Swans chat The 100-year hoodoo

    The Swans have a hoodoo going back over 100 years that I would really like to break soon.

    1918 was the last year when the Swans finished on top of the ladder and won the premiership in the same year.

    Since 1918, South Melbourne / Sydney has finished on top of the ladder 6 times (1935, 1936, 1945, 1996, 2014 and 2016). In each of these years, the Swans lost the Grand Final.

    The next time we finish on top, can we please also win the premiership?
    "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final
  • sprite
    Regular in the Side
    • Jan 2003
    • 813

    #2
    I just want to win the flag from anywhere in the eight.
    sprite

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    • Mel_C
      Veterans List
      • Jan 2003
      • 4470

      #3
      Lately when a team has finished on top they don't win the premiership. Maybe the teams can't handle the pressure and the expectation.

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      • S.S. Bleeder
        Senior Player
        • Sep 2014
        • 2165

        #4
        That all depends on whether there will be umpires or not. I like the sound of the captains umpiring.

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        • S.S. Bleeder
          Senior Player
          • Sep 2014
          • 2165

          #5
          Originally posted by Mel_C
          Lately when a team has finished on top they don't win the premiership. Maybe the teams can't handle the pressure and the expectation.
          I think it because the teams are so evenly matched these days, thanks to equalisation, and also the home and away season is no longer an even playing field where teams play everyone twice. Playing the GF and most finals matches on the home ground of a number of Victorian clubs doesn't help either.

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          • 0918330512
            Senior Player
            • Sep 2011
            • 1654

            #6
            Originally posted by S.S. Bleeder
            I think it because the teams are so evenly matched these days, thanks to equalisation, and also the home and away season is no longer an even playing field where teams play everyone twice. Playing the GF and most finals matches on the home ground of a number of Victorian clubs doesn't help either.
            I’ll give you the GF, but your point about “most finals matches on the home ground of a number of Victorian clubs” is rubbish. For the finals, the higher finishing team plays at home. If a final is played in Victoria, it’s because the Victorian team earned the right.

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            • Blood Fever
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              • Apr 2007
              • 4040

              #7
              Originally posted by 09183305
              I’ll give you the GF, but your point about “most finals matches on the home ground of a number of Victorian clubs” is rubbish. For the finals, the higher finishing team plays at home. If a final is played in Victoria, it’s because the Victorian team earned the right.
              GF is the showpiece game of the whole season. To play it at the home ground of Victorian clubs is an embarrassment, especially when the non Vic team finishes higher on the ladder. The idiocy and parochialism of signing an agreement for the MCG to host the game up to the year 2057 is unforgivable and irrevocably stains the competition for the next 40 years.

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              • 0918330512
                Senior Player
                • Sep 2011
                • 1654

                #8
                Originally posted by Blood Fever
                GF is the showpiece game of the whole season. To play it at the home ground of Victorian clubs is an embarrassment, especially when the non Vic team finishes higher on the ladder. The idiocy and parochialism of signing an agreement for the MCG to host the game up to the year 2057 is unforgivable and irrevocably stains the competition for the next 40 years.
                That’s an argument that deserves its own thread, as it derails whichever thread it repeatedly pops up on.

                It also has nothing to do with my post that you replied to, as I conceded the GF point.

                And hopefully you got your complaining about it out of your system, otherwise it’s going to be 40 long years if you keep going on about it as it’s not going to change the deal that’s in place until 2057

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                • KSAS
                  Senior Player
                  • Mar 2018
                  • 1770

                  #9
                  I'm proud that we have built up an impressive home & away record including Kardinia Park, where Geelong enjoys the best home advantage. Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere. However I do fantasize winning a fairytale flag from 7th spot and beating a heavily fancied Melbourne team in the GF with a lopsided free kick count in our favour. Longmire calls up Bob (Skilton) to the stage to handover his premiership medal. Gill says it's the best GF he has ever witnessed. The next day AFL admits the umpiring wasn't up to standard but not sure if it affected the result. This of course doesn't affect our fairytale cygnets celebrating hard and if that Melb team mentions the poor umpiring at all they're considered sore losers. Even better if that Melb team wears red white and blue colours! GF at the MCG is then extended for another 40 years.
                  Last edited by KSAS; 31 August 2019, 08:26 AM.

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                  • Blood Fever
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 4040

                    #10
                    Originally posted by 09183305
                    That’s an argument that deserves its own thread, as it derails whichever thread it repeatedly pops up on.

                    It also has nothing to do with my post that you replied to, as I conceded the GF point.

                    And hopefully you got your complaining about it out of your system, otherwise it’s going to be 40 long years if you keep going on about it as it’s not going to change the deal that’s in place until 2057
                    So we just pretend that the arrangement is ok? Sorry,not into appeasement in this case. The least that should be done is an asterisk eg Hawthorn 2015 when WC beat them in a QFinal at Perth and then had tp play GF at Hawks home ground. Ditto Richmond who finished lower than Adelaide in 2017. That' just 2 recent ones. Joke of a national comp.

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                    • Thunder Shaker
                      Aut vincere aut mori
                      • Apr 2004
                      • 4166

                      #11
                      Originally posted by 09183305
                      I’ll give you the GF, but your point about “most finals matches on the home ground of a number of Victorian clubs” is rubbish. For the finals, the higher finishing team plays at home. If a final is played in Victoria, it’s because the Victorian team earned the right.
                      Only since the 1990s or so. Home finals didn't exist in 1986 or 1987 when the Swans had to play four finals in Melbourne. If home finals had existed then, three of those finals would have been in Sydney.

                      More recently, a few non-Victorian sides had to play "home" preliminary finals at the MCG and a couple of other finals.
                      "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                      • Thunder Shaker
                        Aut vincere aut mori
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 4166

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Mel_C
                        Lately when a team has finished on top they don't win the premiership. Maybe the teams can't handle the pressure and the expectation.
                        Since 2000 (when the current Final 8 format was introduced), the following sides have finished on top and gone on to win the premiership:

                        2000 Essendon
                        2004 Port Adelaide
                        2006 West Coast
                        2007 Geelong
                        2010 Collingwood
                        2013 Hawthorn
                        "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                        • Nico
                          Veterans List
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 11330

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                          The Swans have a hoodoo going back over 100 years that I would really like to break soon.

                          1918 was the last year when the Swans finished on top of the ladder and won the premiership in the same year.

                          Since 1918, South Melbourne / Sydney has finished on top of the ladder 6 times (1935, 1936, 1945, 1996, 2014 and 2016). In each of these years, the Swans lost the Grand Final.

                          The next time we finish on top, can we please also win the premiership?
                          I have news for you TS. To reverse that it will take 100 years. I can't hang around that long.
                          http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                          • Thunder Shaker
                            Aut vincere aut mori
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 4166

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Mel_C
                            Lately when a team has finished on top they don't win the premiership. Maybe the teams can't handle the pressure and the expectation.
                            An AFL article discussing the last five years: Cursed Cats? Five barriers Geelong must overcome to win the flag
                            Scroll down to the section "Minor premiers, major problems"
                            "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                            • Thunder Shaker
                              Aut vincere aut mori
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 4166

                              #15
                              Some more figures over 122 seasons (1897 to 2018):
                              * The minor premier has also won the premiership in 64 seasons (52.7%).
                              * They have been runners up in 44 seasons and not made the Grand Final 14 times. Most of the times when the have not made the Grand Final have occurred since 1931. Most finals series before then gave the Minor Premier the right of challenge for the premiership so they were guaranteed to be runners up or premiers.
                              * The side that has been minor premiers and runners up in the same season the most times is Collingwood (8 times). South Melbourne/Sydney are second (7 times). Essendon have done it 6 times. No other club has done it more than 4 times.
                              * Collingwood have the most minor premierships with 19. After being minor premiers, they won the premiership 9 times and were runners up 8 times.
                              * Essendon have been Grand Finalists in every year they have been minor premier except once (17 times minor premier for 11 wins and 5 losses). 1999 was the exception.
                              * Carlton have also been minor premier 17 times for 11 premierships and runners up 4 times.
                              * Brisbane Bears, Brisbane Lions, Gold Coast, GWS, University and Footscray/Western Bulldogs have never been minor premiers.
                              * South Melbourne/Sydney have a record of 9 times minor premier for 2 premierships (1909, 1918) and 7 times runners up, a difference of minus five. This is the biggest difference between premiers and runners up of any side. Other sides with a negative difference: Adelaide (0 - 1), North Melbourne (0 - 2) and St Kilda (0 - 3).
                              "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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