Pre-season 2020

[goswannies]

So Buddy has had a knee arthroscope and is out for 10 weeks. Is a "chance" to make round 1. ??

"We may have been able to manage the knee through the year, but we're hopeful that this will mean Lance can have an uninterrupted season. He has had a similar clean up on his right knee in the past, so there are no long-term concerns," Charlie Gardiner said.”

No long-term concerns?

We know that putting an arthroscopic camera in a knee without doing anything else at all, the knee is actually worse off. Of course, no one does it for fun and if there is anything that needs “cleaning up” (chondroplasties, meniscectomies, removal of loose bodies etc) the knee should be better off the leaving defects, but knees are designed or evolved to be complete, so there will always be long-term consequences of surgery.

Clearly the club won’t detail exactly what the problem is (they rarely do) but 10 weeks is the upper end of return to sport after a “routine” knee arthroscopy. Hope he’s ok

The more surgery a joint has, less likely it’s in great condition

[Ralph Dawg]

"We may have been able to manage the knee through the year, but we're hopeful that this will mean Lance can have an uninterrupted season. He has had a similar clean up on his right knee in the past, so there are no long-term concerns," Charlie Gardiner said.”

No long-term concerns?

We know that putting an arthroscopic camera in a knee without doing anything else at all, the knee is actually worse off. Of course, no one does it for fun and if there is anything that needs “cleaning up” (chondroplasties, meniscectomies, removal of loose bodies etc) the knee should be better off the leaving defects, but knees are designed or evolved to be complete, so there will always be long-term consequences of surgery.

Clearly the club won’t detail exactly what the problem is (they rarely do) but 10 weeks is the upper end of return to sport after a “routine” knee arthroscopy. Hope he’s ok

The more surgery a joint has, less likely it’s in great condition

Agree on all accounts, in particular 10 weeks out post knee scope. Must be some significant pathology in that knee I suspect.

Makes one wonder if the club's failed pursuit of Joe might have been motivated, in part, by an knowledge of where Buddy's body is up to? Having said that, sounds like Joe has his own musculoskeletal issues and he's only in his 20s!

[Markwebbos]

"We may have been able to manage the knee through the year, but we're hopeful that this will mean Lance can have an uninterrupted season. He has had a similar clean up on his right knee in the past, so there are no long-term concerns," Charlie Gardiner said.”

No long-term concerns?

We know that putting an arthroscopic camera in a knee without doing anything else at all, the knee is actually worse off. Of course, no one does it for fun and if there is anything that needs “cleaning up” (chondroplasties, meniscectomies, removal of loose bodies etc) the knee should be better off the leaving defects, but knees are designed or evolved to be complete, so there will always be long-term consequences of surgery.

Clearly the club won’t detail exactly what the problem is (they rarely do) but 10 weeks is the upper end of return to sport after a “routine” knee arthroscopy. Hope he’s ok

The more surgery a joint has, less likely it’s in great condition

That’s 10 weeks to return to full training. Based on my limited middle aged experience that seems quick.

[Ralph Dawg]

That’s 10 weeks to return to full training. Based on my limited middle aged experience that seems quick.

For a middle age man, yes that's not too bad. But let's phrase it another way. Say we're in the regular season and they say Bud's had a knee scope and is out for up to 10 weeks.........

[Mel_C]

The concerning thing is that Buddy wasn't participating in full training yet. How is he going to last a full season ?? Fingers crossed this is it!

[KSAS]

Buddy went in for operations after R23 so that he'd right for the preseason. Can only speculate what those ops involved? (hamstring is my guess). Buddy has had to deal with heal, groin, hamstring & now knee issues over the last few seasons. I was hoping one benefit from missing finals is that our squad will hit R1 fit & healthy with the extra break.

[stevoswan]

Agree on all accounts, in particular 10 weeks out post knee scope. Must be some significant pathology in that knee I suspect.

Makes one wonder if the club's failed pursuit of Joe might have been motivated, in part, by an knowledge of where Buddy's body is up to? Having said that, sounds like Joe has his own musculoskeletal issues and he's only in his 20s!

Yes, we are far better off having a crock who's a freak in his final years than a crock who's a potential freak but who's early in his career. What a liability that could end up being.

Having said that, I don't reckon our interest in JD had anything to do with a negative Buddy injury outlook, moreso that Buddy is in his latter years.....but for his eventual replacement, I reckon we should look elsewhere. It will be very interesting to see how Daniher shapes up this season but so far, it's not looking great.

[goswannies]

That’s 10 weeks to return to full training. Based on my limited middle aged experience that seems quick.

It’s a bit of a perspective thing really. Everyone is different (age and otherwise).
Jana Pittman, for example, was running an Olympic final about a little over a week after having an arthroscopy in 2004. Granted she was only 22 and had a very small window of opportunity to compete (a four year Olympic wait if she didn’t run a week after her op).

Often it’s a 6-8 week lay off, although I think Majak Daw missed about a month after a knee arthroscopy once.

But there are so many factors that can influence above an beyond age (although advancing age doesn’t help). Multiple knee surgeries could well delay the return. The severity of the pathology certainly plays a significant role.

I think we will never really know the pathology, so will have have to trust the medical staff

[Auntie.Gerald]

Also depends on what is being snipped

[rb4x]

My concern with the list of injuries is that I doubt that it is anywhere complete. Before Xmas McLean was in a moon boot for example. Now not injured! Remember Pink and Ronke in the past years have spent months as invisible members of the squad. The swans have form in this regard.

[707]

My concern with the list of injuries is that I doubt that it is anywhere complete. Before Xmas McLean was in a moon boot for example. Now not injured! Remember Pink and Ronke in the past years have spent months as invisible members of the squad. The swans have form in this regard.

Not with straight shooter Charlie Gardiner, everyone is accounted for as either in full training/playing or on the injury list. I'm confident well have most players available for start of season. Injuries are part of the game, rarely does any club have a full list, you just have to play with who is available.

[707]

Anyone venturing to training tomorrow morning?

[goods78]

2km time trial this morning with Stephens, Fox and Knoll on the podium.

Here is a list of the players that did not run:
Naismith, Reid, Amartey, Reynolds, McClean, McCartin, Heeney, Ling, Kennedy, Taylor, Thurlow, O'Connor, Buddy

Some basic skills sessions in the time that I was there.
Yellow caps for Allir, Sinclair, Naismith and Maibaum. Haywood rolled his right ankle during one of the drills.

Thurlow, Heeney and Reid were not in the skills sessions - they mainly did laps of the oval.

[liz]

What happened to Dawson?

[Auntie.Gerald]

Grassy is a gun at the 2km