Pre-season 2020

[wolftone57]

I am fairly certain the scratch match against the Giants came on the weekend before JLT1 (now the Marsh series), most likely to get some continuity in the boys legs, essentially playing three pre-season matches in three weeks. If we opt for the same approach, look for a scratch match/intra club match to fall on the first weekend of the Marsh series, where we have a bye (next weekend.)

yes indeed it did. both GWS and our guys were going to have Intra-Club trials but after a bit of negotiation decided on a full match hit vout against each other.

[wolftone57]

Mills is not an elite back

yes he is. Stats say he is

[Mr Magoo]

Horse seems a big wrap for Warner in the latest article and all but locked in Stephens for a R1 debut. Notice Harry also highlighted Stephens as standing out, a lot of senior SANFL experience.

McInerney is being mentioned a fair bit, seems to have risen up the pecking order if discussion is anything to go by.

Do not think that just because a player is in their first year they won't make the 22 or have an impact, look at the three 18yo's that Port played so much in 2019 with great success, if Stephens, Gould and Warner are ready, pick them!

Preseason matches should be very interesting, so much promising talent rising.

Maybe in preseason games but I would be concerned not happy if our round 1 team included mcinerney, Gould , Stephens and Warner . Promise is one thing but to think that they have overtaken the current best 23 , then we have either just drafted the greatest crop of players ever assembled or we have a terrible list .

[TheBloods]

Yes, I would be very surprised if all four of those you mentioned were in the round one team. Stephens and McInerney are vying for the same position pretty much, and Warner has been given the dreaded 'smokey' curse. Every year AFL.com writes up a draftee as a senior chance simply on the merit of them impressing their coaches. In 2018 it was Stoddart, last year it was McInerney. In both cases, neither were ready, and neither one played more than two games in those seasons. It's pleasing to hear that Warner is off to a great start, but I'd take his "smokey" label with a grain of salt. But we'll see how he goes up against the GWS midfield this Saturday.

[caj23]

Care to show me the stats

He’s a good ordinary back man at best.

Yes he goes in hard, but he’s outmarked too often by the 3rd talls that Longmire plays him on, and his disposal isn’t good enough for quality transition out of defence.

if I had to pick a team to play a game tomorrow there’s at least 50-60 defenders in the league I’d pick before him which hardly screams elite to me

FWIW I think he’s being played out of position and would be better as an inside mid, but that is clearly not going to happen while Longmire is coach

[Melbourne_Blood]

Care to show me the stats

He’s a good ordinary back man at best.

Yes he goes in hard, but he’s outmarked too often by the 3rd talls that Longmire plays him on, and his disposal isn’t good enough for quality transition out of defence.

if I had to pick a team to play a game tomorrow there’s at least 50-60 defenders in the league I’d pick before him which hardly screams elite to me

FWIW I think he’s being played out of position and would be better as an inside mid, but that is clearly not going to happen while Longmire is coach

I agree that I don’t think he is ‘elite’ but I think you’re underrating his value as a defender. He had a seriously good season, especially the back half of it. I also agree he is being played out of position, he was an elite ball winning inside mid as a junior and you don’t just forget how to play. We get smacked and the middle and our defence do a great job of limiting the damage. Would be nice if we tried to correct the issue at its core though, which would require giving Mills an extended crack at a midfield role.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Puppy Eyes]

Care to show me the stats

He’s a good ordinary back man at best.

Yes he goes in hard, but he’s outmarked too often by the 3rd talls that Longmire plays him on, and his disposal isn’t good enough for quality transition out of defence.

if I had to pick a team to play a game tomorrow there’s at least 50-60 defenders in the league I’d pick before him which hardly screams elite to me

FWIW I think he’s being played out of position and would be better as an inside mid, but that is clearly not going to happen while Longmire is coach

I call BS. Name those 50-60 defenders.

[Ralph Dawg]

Care to show me the stats

He’s a good ordinary back man at best.

Yes he goes in hard, but he’s outmarked too often by the 3rd talls that Longmire plays him on, and his disposal isn’t good enough for quality transition out of defence.

if I had to pick a team to play a game tomorrow there’s at least 50-60 defenders in the league I’d pick before him which hardly screams elite to me

FWIW I think he’s being played out of position and would be better as an inside mid, but that is clearly not going to happen while Longmire is coach

I think you are engaging in a bit of hyperbole by stating that there are 50 - 60 defenders you would pick before Cal. Statically he would be better than many and I suspect if you spoke to his team mates and the staff, they actually wouldn't swap him for too many.

I suspect he disappoints us at times because he doesn't influence games to the degree many supporters expect of a high draft pick. But I do feel that if you don't view his contribution to the team through the prism of his draft position, he's actually a very solid AFL defender. I do feel though that 2020 and 2021 will determine whether he really will make the jump to elite status or not.

[caj23]

I call BS. Name those 50-60 defenders.

Lloyd, Houli, Hurn, Z Williams, Daniel, Stewart, Rampe, Laird, Rich, L Ryan, Sicily, Vlaustin, Crisp, B Smith, McGovern, Haynes, Johannisen, Edwards, Andrews, Shaw, Tarrant, Saad, Simpson, Hooker, Docherty, Hartlett, Hurley, Howe, Davis, Allir, Hanley, Harbrow, Jonas, Burgoyne, Keath, Moore, Langodn, Impey, Grimes, Battle, Tuohey, Taylor, Lever, May, Jetta L, Talia, N Wilson, Astbury, Hibberd, Hamling, Daw, Carliisle, Adams, Doedee, Roberton, Jetta N, Stratton

[bloodspirit]

Care to show me the stats

He’s a good ordinary back man at best.

Yes he goes in hard, but he’s outmarked too often by the 3rd talls that Longmire plays him on, and his disposal isn’t good enough for quality transition out of defence.

if I had to pick a team to play a game tomorrow there’s at least 50-60 defenders in the league I’d pick before him which hardly screams elite to me

FWIW I think he’s being played out of position and would be better as an inside mid, but that is clearly not going to happen while Longmire is coach

Lloyd, Houli, Hurn, Z Williams, Daniel, Stewart, Rampe, Laird, Rich, L Ryan, Sicily, Vlaustin, Crisp, B Smith, McGovern, Haynes, Johannisen, Edwards, Andrews, Shaw, Tarrant, Saad, Simpson, Hooker, Docherty, Hartlett, Hurley, Howe, Davis, Allir, Hanley, Harbrow, Jonas, Burgoyne, Keath, Moore, Langodn, Impey, Grimes, Battle, Tuohey, Taylor, Lever, May, Jetta L, Talia, N Wilson, Astbury, Hibberd, Hamling, Daw, Carliisle, Adams, Doedee, Roberton, Jetta N, Stratton

Nice effort. Still, I'm with the others that think you're underrating Mills. First, I note your list includes mostly players that play a different role to the one Mills generally plays - so not a like for like comparison. Apart from that, I would rate Mills ahead of or on a par with many of those you have listed. Anyway, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[caj23]

Nice effort. Still, I'm with the others that think you're underrating Mills. First, I note your list includes mostly players that play a different role to the one Mills generally plays - so not a like for like comparison. Apart from that, I would rate Mills ahead of or on a par with many of those you have listed. Anyway, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I don't think any impartial observer would rate him higher than anyone in the first line, there may be a dozen debatable in the next 2 lines. As for positions, if you take a look at the list there's really not many true KPD's in existence anymore, and the quality ones are capable of spending time on talls, mediums or smalls.

As for the stats that Ralph and wolftone have spouted, I note that they have failed to materialise

FWIW I'm not underrating him, I just think he's being misused

In any event I could continue to argue my point but it would be a waste of time as some on here view AFL with red and white glasses. Whilst its nice that they view the club and its players with such passion (as do I), its simply not the realistic

[Blood Fever]

I don't think any impartial observer would rate him higher than anyone in the first line, there may be a dozen debatable in the next 2 lines. As for positions, if you take a look at the list there's really not many true KPD's in existence anymore, and the quality ones are capable of spending time on talls, mediums or smalls.

As for the stats that Ralph and wolftone have spouted, I note that they have failed to materialise

FWIW I'm not underrating him, I just think he's being misused

In any event I could continue to argue my point but it would be a waste of time as some on here view AFL with red and white glasses. Whilst its nice that they view the club and its players with such passion (as do I), its simply not the realistic

Fair comment but there are also some on here who judge Swans players too harshly which to others is simply not realistic as well.

[AB Swannie]

Is it also possible that some people are blinkered by the position someone was drafted at and where they played as a 17yr old?

[wolftone57]

Care to show me the stats

He’s a good ordinary back man at best.

Yes he goes in hard, but he’s outmarked too often by the 3rd talls that Longmire plays him on, and his disposal isn’t good enough for quality transition out of defence.

if I had to pick a team to play a game tomorrow there’s at least 50-60 defenders in the league I’d pick before him which hardly screams elite to me

FWIW I think he’s being played out of position and would be better as an inside mid, but that is clearly not going to happen while Longmire is coach

Career Season Averages
Year Team GM K H D M G B T HO FF FA GA I50 CL CG R50 BL
2019 Swans 22 10.5 7.9 18.4 6.2 0.1 0 2.6 0 0.3 0.6 0.1 0.9 0.4 2.3 3.6
2018 Swans 9 11.2 8.0 19.2 4.9 0 0.1 2.6 0 1.6 0.7 0.2 1.3 0.7 1.6 3.7 0.33
2017 Swans 24 11.1 6.2 17.3 5.0 0 0.1 2.5 0 0.8 0.6 0.1 1.9 0.8 2.0 2.8
2016 Swans 22 10.5 8.1 18.6 4.8 0.1 0.1 2.3 0 0.5 0.6 0.2 1.6 0.4 2.3 3.4
Career 77 10.8 7.4 18.2 5.3 0 0.1 2.5 0 0.6 0.6 0.2 1.5 0.6 2.1 3.3 0.04
Rising Star Years Statistical Rankings
? 2nd among rising stars in Total Kicks in 2016 ? 3rd among rising stars in Total Handballs in 2016
? 3rd among rising stars in Total Disposals in 2016 ? 2nd among rising stars in Total Marks in 2016
? 2nd among rising stars in Total Supercoach Score in 2016 ? 2nd among rising stars in Total AFL Fantasy Score in 2016
? 4th among rising stars in Total Contested Possessions in 2016 ? 2nd among rising stars in Total Uncontested Possessions in 2016
? 2nd among rising stars in Total Effective Disposals in 2016 ? 2nd among rising stars in Total Clangers in 2016
? 1st among rising stars in Total Rebound 50s in 2016 ? 2nd among rising stars in Total Time On Ground % in 2016
? 3rd among rising stars in Total Metres Gained in 2016 ? 1st among rising stars in Total Turnovers in 2016
? 1st among rising stars in Total Intercepts in 2016 ? 5th among rising stars in Kicks Per Game in 2016
? 5th among rising stars in Disposals Per Game in 2016 ? 3rd among rising stars in Supercoach Score Per Game in 2016
? 4th among rising stars in Uncontested Possessions Per Game in 2016 ? 5th among rising stars in Effective Disposals Per Game in 2016
? 1st among rising stars in Rebound 50s Per Game in 2016 ? 5th among rising stars in Metres Gained Per Game in 2016
? 1st among rising stars in Turnovers Per Game in 2016 ? 1st among rising stars in Intercepts Per Game in 2016
Footywire.com © 2020 about terms privacy contact us


A stat in there you need to look at. You stated he has too many clangers, bad kicks. He is 0.60 for Clangers. He Averages 18.5 disposals that means about 1 poor disposal per game. He also averages 5.3 marks per game, mostly intercepts. He should not play on the third tall anyway as he is not tall or heavy enough. what's more he is not that sort of player to shut down the talls. Better on a medium or smaller forward where his marking and intercept skills can be highlighted. The only place that slightly lets him down is tackles. He only averages 2.5. but that may be because of his position as mids tend to get far more tackle stats than any other players. Backs tend to get more spoils, of which he does very well. He also averages 5.3 contested possessions per game. He has a DE of 78.9. The only thing to let him down is turnovers where he averages 3.5, although most of the back six average about the same due to the quick kick out of defence. So all in all he seems, from the stats to be either in the elite class or quite close.

[707]

Blurb on the club website that Naismith aaaaaaaand, wait for it, Ling are in full training and playing. Happy days!

Mills, IMO is close to elite, fantastic reader of the play, thanks for the stats analysis Wolfie