swans trajectory 2020 ?

[stevoswan]

I hope you are not suggesting that LRT was not a dominant KPF. ???

Well he was never known as a KPF (as he was a KPD).....so I guess not.

[Roadrunner]

For the record, we went 2-5 in close games (under 2 goals) this year. Close games are generally a toss of the coin, so I don't think we'll pick up more than 1 or 2 wins from close games next year.

Round 8 Sydney v Essendon 5pts
Round 9 North Melbourne v Sydney 5pts
Round 10 Sydney v Collingwood 7pts
Round 16 Essendon v Sydney 10pts
Round 17 Sydney v Carlton 7pts
Round 18 Fremantle v Sydney 1pt
Round 19 GWS v Sydney 2pts

I'm with the "pass mark = 10 wins with steady improvement" camp. I don't expect us to play finals next year, and I think the pressure to constantly play finals can leave a team in "limbo", like what's happened with Geelong and to a certain extent the Swans recently. I definitely want to see some midfielders coming through next year though, otherwise I think we are in deep trouble.

Steady, organic growth, without major injuries to key players. Our midfield options look a lot better and with the draft picks will be further strengthened.

[Blood Fever]

Well he was never known as a KPF (as he was a KPD).....so I guess not.

LRT was huge in that 2012 final series as he was in 2005 GF. Played predominantly forward in 2012 final series but defended desperately in last quarter of GF. Also laid a memorable tackle on Luke Hodge that set the tone for the day. Very fine courageous player with an awkward but highly effective style.

[Melbourne_Blood]

LRT was huge in that 2012 final series as he was in 2005 GF. Played predominantly forward in 2012 final series but defended desperately in last quarter of GF. Also laid a memorable tackle on Luke Hodge that set the tone for the day. Very fine courageous player with an awkward but highly effective style.

He kicked 2 goals in the prelim against the Pies, if My memory serves me right he played a very good game down back in the QF against the crows though. Bringing back memories . What a season that was !


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[mcs]

LRT was huge in that 2012 final series as he was in 2005 GF. Played predominantly forward in 2012 final series but defended desperately in last quarter of GF. Also laid a memorable tackle on Luke Hodge that set the tone for the day. Very fine courageous player with an awkward but highly effective style.

He certainly was a man to step up to the plate in finals - as awkward and ungainly as he was, he was a highly effective player at his best, and always did his role for the team. One of those players that squeezed out every bit of talent he had and then some - most certainly not a player to say didn't give his all and could of been 'so much more'.

Up there in my favourite swans players of all time. Truly was enormous in the '05 decider too. And a lovely gent off the field too - I'd love to have an LRT or two to slot into the current team.

I wonder how his post-footy life is treating him - well I hope!

[mcs]

He kicked 2 goals in the prelim against the Pies, if My memory serves me right he played a very good game down back in the QF against the crows though. Bringing back memories . What a season that was !


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I must sit and watch the 2012 DVDs again - so many fond memories from that year. So many damn fine wins along the way, but the day I remember the most funnily enough was the loss to Hawthorn late in the season at the SCG. That was the day I truly believed we could win the flag - I remember turning to my mate on the way out and saying we could win the flag, and that it would be us and the Hawks on the last day in September. I am rarely right with my predictions, but I was that year.

[Wazza]

Im more optimistic I predict 12-13 wins, many games we lost our team balance was off, dont underestimate the impact of losing Sinclair in ruck but also resting as a FWD.
If you add Sinclair and Buddy, Allir back to defense bring in a second ruck and the team balance already looks better. Reid suddenly is second tall a role he performs much better, Hayward also comes back in so we start to look better in regards to balance & depth. If I try to build a team for 2020 and and we dont have early injuries, spots become tight and on paper looks pretty good but injuries can impact results - my guess 12 - 13 wins

Naismith Parker Taylor

Lloyd Rampe Allir
Mills McCartin O'Riordan
Florent Kennedy Dawson
Hayward Reid Heeney
Papley Franklin Blakey

Sinclair Cunningham Robottom Hewett
Melican Ronke Fox Stoddart Thurlow Clark Menzel McInerney Bell Mclean

Cheers

waz

[Beerman]

LRT was huge in that 2012 final series as he was in 2005 GF. Played predominantly forward in 2012 final series but defended desperately in last quarter of GF. Also laid a memorable tackle on Luke Hodge that set the tone for the day. Very fine courageous player with an awkward but highly effective style.

Crunching tackle and got the free kick. Such a shame that he missed the easy shot at goal - that would have made it perfect.

He kicked 2 goals in the prelim against the Pies, if My memory serves me right he played a very good game down back in the QF against the crows though. Bringing back memories . What a season that was !

I particularly remember one of his goals against the pies - Morton went up to for a big contest for the mark, the ball spilled to the front and LRT swooped on the crumb and kicked it straight through. I thought...not the way I would have imagined it, but whatever works!

[Blood Fever]

Crunching tackle and got the free kick. Such a shame that he missed the easy shot at goal - that would have made it perfect.



I particularly remember one of his goals against the pies - Morton went up to for a big contest for the mark, the ball spilled to the front and LRT swooped on the crumb and kicked it straight through. I thought...not the way I would have imagined it, but whatever works!

Remember that goal- last quarter- just forward of the wing- ran and kicked it from a fair way out with no one between him and the goal- the absolute sealer! Beating Pies that night almost the equal of the flag. They had owned us for years.

[Aprilbr]

Im more optimistic I predict 12-13 wins, many games we lost our team balance was off, dont underestimate the impact of losing Sinclair in ruck but also resting as a FWD.
If you add Sinclair and Buddy, Allir back to defense bring in a second ruck and the team balance already looks better. Reid suddenly is second tall a role he performs much better, Hayward also comes back in so we start to look better in regards to balance & depth. If I try to build a team for 2020 and and we dont have early injuries, spots become tight and on paper looks pretty good but injuries can impact results - my guess 12 - 13 wins

Naismith Parker Taylor

Lloyd Rampe Allir
Mills McCartin O'Riordan
Florent Kennedy Dawson
Hayward Reid Heeney
Papley Franklin Blakey

Sinclair Cunningham Robottom Hewett
Melican Ronke Fox Stoddart Thurlow Clark Menzel McInerney Bell Mclean

Cheers

waz

I hope you're correct, Waz! Lets be optimistic at this stage of the year.

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[barry]

Our major structural problem is the ruck, and midfield.
We may also have a problem with rebounding defender with Jones gone.

Put simply, if Nainsmith plays every game, and a Heeney or Mills successfully goes into the midfield, we could substantially move back up the ladder.

Otherwise, if Sinclair is our No.1 ruck, and the midfield stays the same.. Similar result to this year.

[Auntie.Gerald]

I’m one of the most positive people in life but I have very little optimism for the swans 2020/21

8 wins again in 2020 is an unacceptable trajectory for me........especially given the bites we have had trying to bring in experienced players 2018/2019 to balance out our squad

I have us at 10 wins max next season but somewhere between 8-10 wins is likely

We did not attract Moore, langdon, van den berg, JD end of 2018 season yet ear marked them as players and roles required in our starting 22

The concern for me is that our trajectory in performance is being pushed out side always and or reverse as it did in 2019 especially vs other teams internal development and external traded in players.

If Moore, langdon and van den berg played for us in 2019 we would have been closer to 11/12 wins in my opinion and that is an acceptable season and leaves u close to the action of finals

And why not?
Why not provide the best opportunity for our swans to be playing finals 2019/20/21 ?

Why do we accept going in reverse when we don’t have to ? Is there something wrong with Sydney as a destination for the trades players we want ?

Has our top pick recruiting the last 6 years or so like towers, Rohan, Jetta etc been significantly below par in our picks ........has this contributed to our 15th position on the ladder in 2019 ?

It would be fascinating to see who the players were The players a few either side of Jetta, Rohan, Towers etc ?

Geelong came 1st past the post in a rebuild season via trading predominantly

The pies have been seriously consistent last couple seasons via a few years of strong trades while rebuilding while suffering massive injury lists

Hawks decided trades was key to their rebuild and so far have kept the close to the action at 9th in 2019

I feel that we are well off the pace and going backwards and sideways on a trajectory that is unacceptable. Every team is developing internally so that is relative already. Trades and or elite drafting is what seperates team. For me a player like Serong doesn’t so that for us if we land him

I don’t see our team being in the top 4 team with organic internal development .......I don’t see this happening for a few years because we have not diversified our squad like geelong, pies and hawks etc have

That’s unacceptable for me

We have been very active in our attempted trades last two seasons .....but no success and no clear plan B in this trade period for other trade options that provide us a much more competitive squad

[barry]

Yes, the club has transitioned from secretive trading. (ie buddy, JPK, etc) to open speculative trading (Daniher, Moore), but without landing anyone. (like lolNorf).

Lets not be like North Melbourne.

[Markwebbos]

This time last year I predicted, with great caution, that the Swans would finish 9th and just miss the eight. I was howled down as a heretic / doomsayer.

I'm more optimistic about 2020 and think we might make the finals, based largely on (1) organic improvement, look at Ollie's last few games of the year when he played inside the contest (2) having a fit ruckman (3) getting a soft draw.

I think you can divide season 2019 into 3 parts:

Rounds 1-7. Swans were rubbish. Didn't get it together, went 1-6
Rounds 8-15. We finally started playing competitive football. 5-2 including beating the premiers convincingly and our nemesis Hawthorn.
Rounds 16-23. We played without a ruckman (or with Hayden Maclean), Buddy barely played etc. 2-6 but 4 of those losses were by 10 points or less.

If we were to halve the first 7 rounds, keep the middle and win half of the close games we lost at the end (assuming we have a ruckman) that would give us 3+5+4 = 12 wins.

I think with injuries on our side, we'll win 11-12, could sneak into the 8. Feels like a middle six side. I'm hoping in 2021 we'll be back up where we belong

[stevoswan]

I’m one of the most positive people in life but I have very little optimism for the swans 2020/21

8 wins again in 2020 is an unacceptable trajectory for me........especially given the bites we have had trying to bring in experienced players 2018/2019 to balance out our squad

I have us at 10 wins max next season but somewhere between 8-10 wins is likely

Are positivity and optimism the same thing? It appears not....

I have us improving considerably. With us at the moment, it's more about natural development/improvement of a talent stacked young squad, not seeking outside solutions to fill gaps or boost experience. This approach has worked for us in the past.....when we didn't have the talent laden squad that we have now. If the young one's don't deliver, we may be in trouble.....but I have faith.