AFL Round 4 general discussion

[707]

I hear you.

LOL, don't we know how insufferable it is in this town when the Crows are up and about, the fawning press makes me feel ill, but this year - bliss!

Crows have real problems, long term problems. A lot of senior players who, to to honest, are declining rapidly before their time and no outstanding young talent. Their past few drafts are looking like busts and you just know with their on and off field problems that the Vic clubs will be white anting draftees as I write! Got a strong draft hand this year but their list is in need of a significant injection of quality talent.

I won't say any more as this is the R4 thread not a general discussion thread

[KTigers]

I was reading somewhere that the WA teams are about to get seven weeks in a row of home games. If that's correct we should
all spare a thought for all the Richmond supporters who are going to have to suffer through this incredible injustice.

[ugg]

Betts gave away the fifty because he ran forward of the mark before the umpire had called played on. The kick-in player is only deemed to have played on once he crosses one of the goalsquare lines. Saad started running a few steps before he crossed the line and Betts jumped the gone. However, the two Essendon players are meant to be attempting to clear the 10m zone when the kick-in is being taken. The fact they weren't meant that technically the umpire should have made Saad re-take the kick-in. They keyword here though is "attempting". They don't actually have to be clear of the zone when the kick-in is taken, but because they weren't attempting to, the umpire should have recalled it.

[Blood Fever]

Betts gave away the fifty because he ran forward of the mark before the umpire had called played on. The kick-in player is only deemed to have played on once he crosses one of the goalsquare lines. Saad started running a few steps before he crossed the line and Betts jumped the gone. However, the two Essendon players are meant to be attempting to clear the 10m zone when the kick-in is being taken. The fact they weren't meant that technically the umpire should have made Saad re-take the kick-in. They keyword here though is "attempting". They don't actually have to be clear of the zone when the kick-in is taken, but because they weren't attempting to, the umpire should have recalled it.

Thx Ugg. You must be one of the rare people in the country who is actually well versed in the game's rules.

[barry]

Bets didn't even interfere with the kicker, so it was a joke. Put the whistle away in the last few minutes.

[dimelb]

Betts gave away the fifty because he ran forward of the mark before the umpire had called played on. The kick-in player is only deemed to have played on once he crosses one of the goalsquare lines. Saad started running a few steps before he crossed the line and Betts jumped the gone. However, the two Essendon players are meant to be attempting to clear the 10m zone when the kick-in is being taken. The fact they weren't meant that technically the umpire should have made Saad re-take the kick-in. They keyword here though is "attempting". They don't actually have to be clear of the zone when the kick-in is taken, but because they weren't attempting to, the umpire should have recalled it.

Thanks ugg - that clarifies the situation. All we need now is an explanation from the ump as to why he ran at least 60 metres and maybe more past 50. But I'm not counting on it ...

[neilfws]

Ah, the rules debate. So Clarkson reckons not enough HTB frees are paid per tackle:

'S---canning our brand': Clarkson unloads on AFL over poor fare for fans


And Gil (after coffee?) agrees with him:

'They should be pinged': AFL boss urges umps to pay holding the ball


When in fact, if this data is correct, recent years have seen an increase in HTB frees paid per tackle:

https://twitter.com/robharding21/status/1277747086117572611

Like someone said, the plural of anecdote is not data.

[Mr Magoo]

The data is probably spot on and I cant for the life of me see why increasing of the holding the ball free is going to free up play. All it does is allow the defence to get reset down the line.

While watching a few of the games from the "good old days" during the footy shutdown - one thing i remembered noting at the time on this forum was that very few holding the ball frees were paid , even when a player just dropped it cold when caught. It certainly didnt leads to congested play, quite the opposite.

That kind of complaint , reeks of self interest for me. He's concentrating on a defensive tackling game plan and its not in his view being rewarded. Its nothing to do with making the game more attractive or freeing up congestion but it allows a team that gets the free to play a chip kick style of play more easily - I wonder who likes that style of play ?????

[barry]

Clarko, the master deflector: Im going to blame the rules before someone blames me.
Gill ,the dill: Ummmm, Ahhhh, what clarko said.

[bloodspirit]

Ah, the rules debate. So Clarkson reckons not enough HTB frees are paid per tackle:

'S---canning our brand': Clarkson unloads on AFL over poor fare for fans


And Gil (after coffee?) agrees with him:

'They should be pinged': AFL boss urges umps to pay holding the ball


When in fact, if this data is correct, recent years have seen an increase in HTB frees paid per tackle:

https://twitter.com/robharding21/status/1277747086117572611

Like someone said, the plural of anecdote is not data.

The data is probably spot on and I cant for the life of me see why increasing of the holding the ball free is going to free up play. All it does is allow the defence to get reset down the line.

While watching a few of the games from the "good old days" during the footy shutdown - one thing i remembered noting at the time on this forum was that very few holding the ball frees were paid , even when a player just dropped it cold when caught. It certainly didnt leads to congested play, quite the opposite.

That kind of complaint , reeks of self interest for me. He's concentrating on a defensive tackling game plan and its not in his view being rewarded. Its nothing to do with making the game more attractive or freeing up congestion but it allows a team that gets the free to play a chip kick style of play more easily - I wonder who likes that style of play ?????

Clarko, the master deflector: Im going to blame the rules before someone blames me.
Gill ,the dill: Ummmm, Ahhhh, what clarko said.

All good posts - especially yours, neilfws!

As Gil said: "What would I know?"

[bloodspirit]

Yes, I'm getting tempted to go to a Suns game. That is, a Suns game in which they're not playing the Swans.

I have to say, I am in awe of Matt Rowell. It's unbelievable what he's come in and started doing as a first year player! Has this ever happened before? Sure it's only three games and it will be interesting to see how long he can keep it up but it's still incredible. He has single-handedly turned GCS around. Suddenly all their other talent makes them look like a dangerous team - but they've always had a lot of talented players and they've never before looked so dangerous. Still expecting them to fade a bit as the year goes on. They won at least 3 of their first 4 games last year. But they are surely going to do a fair bit better than last year.

If the Suns can surge up the ladder it's also going to make a few of their trading decisions look a bit smarter.

[Blood Fever]

Clarko, the master deflector: Im going to blame the rules before someone blames me.
Gill ,the dill: Ummmm, Ahhhh, what clarko said.

Gill learnt his conflict of interest approach from Eddie. Deplorable.

[barry]

The data is probably spot on and I cant for the life of me see why increasing of the holding the ball free is going to free up play. All it does is allow the defence to get reset down the line.
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I was just thinking the other day that this is the first year where I've seen good, clear, consistent interpretation of holding the ball and prior opportunity.
Maybe thats Clarko's problem. He doesnt want these egalitarian concepts, he wants "Free kick Hawthorn".

[bloodspirit]

Suddenly the AFL's talk of the industry needing to be 'agile' is no longer just a catchphrase. All the clubs and the AFL really are going to have to be very nimble and flexible to get through to season's end.

[troyjones2525]

Finally with the final question of his press conference a journalist asked Longmire about Mills in the midfield and if he might start there. His answer... yes we know he is a very good midfielder but he's a very good defender too and we would have to replace him there... having good defender's are pretty important.

Geeeeez John, what a surprise! No need to change things up as our side is looking sensational at the moment!... dominating in the middle! [emoji19]

I wonder if he realises that if we do have a dominant midfield we hopefully won't have to defend as much thus lessening the urgent need for another 'good defender'...[emoji2357]

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