Match Thread. Richmond, Round 6.

[Blood Fever]

Wolfy, you want to take back that first paragraph. Just because you disagree with someone's post there is no need to sink the boots into the generations of South Melbourne supporters and players. Genuinely condescending and disingenuous words. I bet you wouldn't repeat those words to the likes of Bob Skilton and Peter Bedford. They are only a couple of the many gun players we had and you are pointing the finger directly at these people.

Agree. Two cities, one team.

[Nico]

Can't believe that people are getting into Parker. He has a down day and now he is over rated. Good chance he was tagged and given he and Kennedy are the only established mids that is hardly surprising. His career consistency has been outstanding. To say finishing second in the Brownlow was a fluke is breathtaking.

[i'm-uninformed2]

Horse unfortunately sounded very despondent re Heeney post match.

[MattW]

Plenty to work on from that showing - I liked the endeavour shown and I think we'll learn a lot from a hard game against the premiers. If we can keep up the effort and get more games into the younger guys, things will start looking up before too long.

Thanks for this, I agree. Once again we were younger and lighter team, less experienced and it showed, particularly in wet conditions. This was a difficult game to game to win just on that basis alone. But I was really impressed with the defence which was been a vulnerability early in the season, but they stood up really well. Mills was awesome, Ramos was good too obviously, Fox and Cunningham. O’Riordan was hard.

I still think that Blakey needs a week off. He’s just rushing things and trying to make things happen that aren’t there, rather than taking a simple team option. I think it’s past the tipping point for him to have a break, just on the basis that in his apparent desperation to make a positive impact he is starting to take some selfish options.

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Can't believe that people are getting into Parker. He has a down day and now he is over rated. Good chance he was tagged and given he and Kennedy are the only established mids that is hardly surprising. His career consistency has been outstanding. To say finishing second in the Brownlow was a fluke is breathtaking.

Yep, right on. Players like him have earned way more respect.

[MattW]

He's too slow for a KPP, but he's not much of a ruckman either. I think he has an uphill battle to make it in the AFL.

Probably, ultimately, but has a go and is playing an important role now.

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Weirdly, given how undermanned the team is and the conditions, I didn't feel that was so bad a result.

I read a couple of recent articles suggesting that one "issue with the game" might be Channel 7. Obvious you might say - but if you view the commentary as a blight on the game, rather than just an annoyance, it starts to make sense. BT carrying on at one point about how we'd lost jumper numbers 1-3 from last season. The general impression that the only thing preventing Richmond playing with their usual flair was being dragged down to the level of those awful dour Swans. Or "having an opposition defend" as it's more ordinarily known.

Anyway. I like Rowbottom more every week, Papley always gives it a crack too. Thought Mills, Dawson and McLean were OK today. Saw a bit of Stephens, less of Warner. Everyone else just seems to be down on form, injured, missing or very young/small/inexperienced.

I agree all round, but notably re BT. I kept listening (rather than mute) for Bartel’s insights, but it was hard work.

[i'm-uninformed2]

Just seen Dimma’s comments in full.

What a self-entitled little @@@@@ he is.

[MattW]

Gee who could’ve predicted this? ????

And then you spend the game hoping they'll lose so you can be vindicated. Why bother?

[Blood Fever]

And then you spend the game hoping they'll lose so you can be vindicated. Why bother?

Why indeed. He's not alone.

[dejavoodoo44]

Probably, ultimately, but has a go and is playing an important role now.

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I agree all round, but notably re BT. I kept listening (rather than mute) for Bartel’s insights, but it was hard work.

Yes, I recorded the game, so I could go over what I may have missed at the match, but since it seems that BT was in full drivel mode, I haven't faced it yet. Listening to him on the highlights package was bad enough.

[Scottee]

Stephens had 11, Stoddart 10, Warner 8

I'll put it down to dodgy stats. Anyway, all pretty similar.

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[mcs]

It’s not rocket science, so I’ll explain it to you in simple terms

Longmire had the most talented list with the player of his generation at his disposal for multiple seasons and underachieved, nada to show for it.

We no longer have a premiership contending list but he is still getting less out of it than the sum of its parts. We should be on the fringes of the eight at least, instead we can barely manage 5 goals a game

No need for the condenscending tone.

We played in 3 grand finals and an additional prelim final over 5 seasons. We were desperately unlucky in one of those grand finals to run into a 'fairytale' (and on another day, despite everything that went against us - we could well have won that game), and we were the best team for the remainder of the season in the other one, but got it very very wrong on Grand Final day.

Our list is transformed substantially from that which played in that 2016 decider now. You can't stay up forever in a day in this game, and you have to rejuvenate. I'm happy to criticise Longmire where there is genuine reason to do so - I'm not sure he his game plan still stacks up in the way the game is going, but I do think he is taking genuine steps to try and change that.

We also currently have a horrendous injury list. Do tell, what team out there could have basically all of their ruckmen (both seasoned and rookie) out, plus their 2 best tall forwards, plus one of their best younger tall forward outs, and still not be struggling to kick goals going forward?

We would need a fully fit list and we could be somewhere round the edge of the 8. We don't have that and unsuprisingly are struggling big time.

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Probably, ultimately, but has a go and is playing an important role now.

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I agree all round, but notably re BT. I kept listening (rather than mute) for Bartel’s insights, but it was hard work.

BT is an embarrasment. An absolute dinosaur. Who gives two @@@@s about losing jumper numbers and all the crap he goes on about. He has no idea barely what is going on out there. Absolute waste of space.

[Blood Fever]

Can't judge us until we have a relatively fit list whenever that is. Maybe not even any time this year. You have been gunning for Horse for ages. He has earned his extension so we need patience given our predicament.

[dejavoodoo44]

A couple of things in defence of McLean's athletic abilities. Firstly, I suspect, like at the same time last season, that he's still working up to full fitness. That is, last season he was injured early, and then looked a bit of a lumberer when he started in the NEAFL. After a while, he improved his mobility enough to earn a promotion and then looked surprisingly good at the higher level. This year, I think he spent the preseason in a moonboot, so I suspect that he's still got a bit of improvement in him. Also, I wondered if like some other big units, he's deceptively quick; so I checked the tracker data. While he didn't feature in the fastest player section, he was up there in the distance covered stats. The much maligned Clarke topped our list, with 12.2km traveled. McLean was second with 11.4km. I don't think it was a fluke, because in the North game, he was third in that stat, behind Rampe and Lloyd. So, I think he has more toe, than is immediately apparent.

[Captain]

Nothing is worse then Dwayne Russell so please don’t whinge about BT!!

[Scottee]

Can't believe that people are getting into Parker. He has a down day and now he is over rated. Good chance he was tagged and given he and Kennedy are the only established mids that is hardly surprising. His career consistency has been outstanding. To say finishing second in the Brownlow was a fluke is breathtaking.

Ho clearly had a bad day and did not appear right. I don't know if it's anything to do with the shiner he started the day with, but 10 possessions is clearly not up to his usual standard.

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